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Hello,

My Gt, Gt Grandfather Arthur Percival was born around Aug 1868 in Salford Manchester, I know his father was called John Percival (not a clue what year or when he was born)

I cannot for the life of me find a birth record for Arthur - i keep coming back to Arthur John Percival who also lived in Salford, Barton upon Irwell.

Arthur P also is missing from 1871 and 1881 census' but is on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 ones in the rights places, seriously getting on my nerves now!

Pls help Thanks Emma

Quite likely his birth wasn't registered....no penalties until 1875 for not doing so.

Could you delete the unnecessary crudity..................please.

Presumably, the father's name came from Arthur's marriage cert......what was John's occupation? Or was he deceased?

he was in the Army, so not on census records -


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Arthur Percival
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age at enlistment: 20
Birth Parish: Salford
Birth County: Lancashire
Document Year: 1888
Regimental number: 69660
Number of images: 7


Father - John Percival of 24 Angel Street, Manchester

Married Charlotte Maria Bishop


Died 1942

The only 3 Arthur Percivals I can find on the 1911 don't seem to match. I was going to look and see if Arthur might have had a second name or initial.

Jill

The other Arthur you keep returning to is on 1911 with birth year 1870 and he had been married to Mary Jane for 15 years. From the info provided by Choccy, your Arthur married Charlotte Maria Bishop. So if you think this might be your Arthur you need to see if you can prove he had two wives ie when did Mary Jane die and he remarry.

Jill

There are lots of pages on the army pension record... I've never seen so much info on them before!
If it is the right one (and I hope it is) he had 4 children

Marriage to Charlotte Maria Bishop 15/8/97
Edith Grace 9/1 /98
Christopher Charles 21/1/00
William Arthur 26/6/01.....informant on death cert 26 Queens Rd, Ashley Down, Bristol
Sydney Frank 22/ 9/06?

His death certificate says he died 11 June 1942 aged 73 Army Pensioner in Bristol Royal Infirmary
address 28 Albany Road, Montpelier, Bristol

For ref:
1911 census transcription details for: 4 Sunningdale Clifton
RG14PN14830 RG78PN901 RD319 SD1 ED5 SN123


Reg. District: Bristol Sub District: Clifton
Parish: Bristol Enum. District: 5
Address: 4 Sunningdale Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
PERCIVAL, Arthur Head Married M 40 1871 Army Pensioner Bakers Roundesman Salford Lancashire
PERCIVAL, Charlotte Wife Married
14 years F 37 1874 Bristol Glos
PERCIVAL, Edith Daughter F 13 1898 School Bristol Glos
PERCIVAL, Charles Son M 11 1900 School Plymouth Devonshire
PERCIVAL, William Son M 9 1902 School Pembroke S Wales
PERCIVAL, Sydney Son M 4 1907 Cape Town S Africa
PERCIVAL, Frederick Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Clifton Bristol

Maureen

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PERCIVAL, Arthur P
Address: 38, Wilson Street, Bristol
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BISHOP, Walter H Head Married M 38 1863 Tailor Bristol Somersetshire
BISHOP, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1865 Bristol Somersetshire
BISHOP, William G Son Single M 15 1886 Shoe Maker Bristol
BISHOP, Edith C Daughter Single F 12 1889 Bristol
BISHOP, Arthur E Son Single M 8 1893 Bristol
BISHOP, Christopher Boarder Widower M 68 1833 Tailor Stogmber Somersetshire
PERCIVAL, Arthur P Boarder Married M 31 1870 Corporal In Royal Artillery
Salford Lancashire
PERCIVAL, Charolate M Boarder Married F 26 1875 Bristol Somersetshire
PERCIVAL, Edith G Boarder Single F 3 1898 Bristol
PERCIVAL, Christopher C Boarder Single M 1 1900 Plymouth Devonshire

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RG number: RG13 Piece: 2374 Folio: 58 Page: 39
Registration District: Bristol Sub District: St Paul Enumeration District: 3
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul Civil Parish: Bristol

His pension records confirm he was in Devon in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Arthur Percival
Name: Arthur Percival
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Plymstock
Ecclesiastical parish: Plymstock
Town: Fort Bovisand
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Gunner

Condition as to marriage: Single

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Yealmpton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page

Too many other to list.



Dee x

Possibly his Father was also in the army and Arthur was abroad with his parents in 1871 and 1881. One of Arthur's children was born in South Africa so this is quite likely to have happened.
So, occupation of Father John from Arthur's marriage certificate?
Thanks

Have you checked on Find My Past who was living at 24 Angel Street in 1891?


Dee x

Hello all, thank you for the replies all the info you have found is fab and is the correct Arthur I have found this information already :-)

The marriage cert i have says that John Percival was deceased as the time of marriage 1897 and he profession was a 'Grocer'.

Arthur that married Mary Im sure is the wrong Arthur as that was Arthur John who's father is Peter. The one i'm trying to trace is Arthur whose father is John - I have this off the Army Records.

I'm thinking his birth was registered, which means i have no way of finding out John's date of birth or date of death or where he is buried??

I'm going to have a look on findmypast now as i have 25 free credits to use. Hopefully that will bring up something, otherwise i feel a bit stumped.

I really wanted to find John Percival's Grave as Ive a feeling its in Manchester somewhere, as I live in Mcr would love to go and visit it.

Emma

I don't mind looking up 24 Angel Street - but where is it?

1891 census - address transcription
Address: 22 & 24, Angel Street, Manchester

looks like a lodging house

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Disability Where Born

HABBUCK, Joseph Head Married M 38 1853 Lodging House Keeper Manchester
HABBUCK, Theresa Wife Married F 36 1855 Lodging House Keeper Salford
HABBUCK, Edith Daughter Single F 2 1889 Manchester
HABBUCK, Joseph Son Single M 0 1891 Manchester
MOORHOUSE, Mary A Lodger Single F 19 1872 Servant Oldham Lancashire
ONEILL, Gertrude Lodger Single F 18 1873 Servant Ireland
ROBINSON, Emma Lodger Married F 30 1861 Charwoman Stockport Cheshire
GREGORY, Mary J Lodger Married F 40 1851 Factory Hand Stockport Cheshire
BAYER, Kate Lodger Single F 30 1861 Charwoman Manchester
WILLCOCK, Sarah Lodger Married F 50 1841 Charwoman Manchester
HARRIS, Mary Lodger Single F 25 1866 Servant Ashton Lancashire
MCCABE, Elizabeth Lodger Single F 55 1836 Hawker Manchester
JONES, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 30 1861 Dressmaker Preston Lancashire
BROWN, Annie Lodger Single F 40 1851 Seamstress Salford
TAYLOR, Ada Lodger Single F 20 1871 Servant General America
WILSON, Polly Lodger Single F 20 1871 Servant General Manchester
HOFFMAN, Ellen Lodger Married F 50 1841 Hawker Ireland
LEWIS, Mary Lodger Single F 28 1863 Servant Ireland
HAGAR, Ellen Lodger Single F 24 1867 Hawker Manchester
DOUGHTY, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 50 1841 Charwoman Middleton Lancashire
LINKS, Mary Lodger Married F 55 1836 Charwoman Stockport Cheshire
FIELD, Ednall Lodger Single F 18 1873 Servant Manchester

According to 1901 census he was Arthur P.

Hi Guys, yep the Arthur i'm after is Arthur P Percival but still can't find a birth record for him. The 24 Angel Street is in Manchester as the above census with all the people on it, but he's not listed there. My husband said i really need to go to a Manchester Library and look up Angel Street as there were probably more than one! Ta Emma

Do you have this record from findmypast Emma? Don't know why there are 2?

Sidney F. Percival Capetown 1906 R A 1603 128
Sidney F. Percival Capetown 1906 R A 1431 15

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

I dont have that record, from FindMyPast but i am aware of him, he was a child of Arthur P Percival. Thank you.

i'm gonna have to just order some birth certs and whichever one has John Percival on will be the right one, then i can find out where John was born and hopefully go from there.

This is a possible death for John given that he was living at 24 Angel Street in 1888 but wasn't there in the 1891 Census and was deceased by 1897.
There is only one Angel Street in Manchester according to findmypast and when I googled Salford it looks like it could be the right registration district.



Name: John Percival
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 59
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 110