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Vera

Vera Report 13 Apr 2011 10:27

Hi Kim,
Thats is what it is looking like....that Martha was registered as Jane Maria.

Regards Vera

Kim

Kim Report 12 Apr 2011 10:24

Thank you so much all of you I lost my internet after I posted and was not able to get it back due to a storm.

Am I right that you believe Martha was registered as Jane Maria Attrill???

I had dismissed the 1851 census because it stated Jane.

She definitely married as Martha and appears from 1861 onwards as Martha.

The marriage glitter baby found is definitely her parents.

Kim



Vera

Vera Report 12 Apr 2011 07:50

nudge

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 11 Apr 2011 22:47

In case you need it

Name: Thomas Attrill
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Jane Berry Pain
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Sep 1850
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Attrill
Spouse Father Name: Richard Pain

patchem

patchem Report 11 Apr 2011 22:47

If Martha is 10 in 1861, then she must be a few months in 1851, which makes her Jane.

Vera

Vera Report 11 Apr 2011 22:44

Maureen,

I am sure as I can be that the 1851/1861 are the same family as you say a lot matches. Just seems strange that they registered Jane and Thomas but not Martha. Actually still looking for Thomas' birth.



Regards Vera

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 11 Apr 2011 22:41

Vera

Your 1851 matches on address and a good match on occupation for Thomas and Jane

Maureen

patchem

patchem Report 11 Apr 2011 22:39

Do you believe the 1851 and 1861 are the same family?
Thanks

Vera

Vera Report 11 Apr 2011 22:35

Thanks GB will delete... as I said clutching at straws :-))

Regards Vera

patchem

patchem Report 11 Apr 2011 22:35

Is this the family in 1851:
1851 England Census
Thomas Attrill
Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Atrill Gender: M (Male) Where born: Clapton, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone West County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 28
Thomas Attrill 25 labourer
Jane Atrill 22 Ilford, Essex,
Jane Attrill 1 MO Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1537; Folio: 419; Page: 5; GSU roll: 174767.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 11 Apr 2011 22:33

1851 baptism record on ancestry for Jane Maria

address as Philip St
Thomas is a brickmaker

Vera

Vera Report 11 Apr 2011 22:29

1851
ATTRILL, Thomas Head Married M 25 1826 Labourer Brickfields
Clapton
Middlesex VIEW
ATTRILL, Jane Wife Married F 22 1829
Ilford
Essex VIEW
ATTRILL, Jane Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1851
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1537 Folio:


Regards vera

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 11 Apr 2011 22:29

1851 England Census about Thomas Attrill
Name: Thomas Attrill
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Atrill
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Clapton, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone West
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Attrill 25 labourer brick
Jane Atrill 22
Jane Attrill 1 MO

Vera

Vera Report 11 Apr 2011 22:28

1861

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ATTRILL, Thomas Head Married M 34 1827 Brickman
Leigh Bridge
Middlesex VIEW
ATTRILL, Jane Wife Married F 31 1830
Westham...
Middlesex VIEW
ATTRILL, Martha Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Horton
Middlesex VIEW
ATTRILL, Thomas Son M 2 1859
Shoeburyness
Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1086 Folio:


Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 11 Apr 2011 22:27

This is the one Lindsey found... she isn't listed on the 1861 with the family....

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Attrell Jane Maria Shoreditch 2 434


Regards Vera

patchem

patchem Report 11 Apr 2011 22:23

Have you got her on the 1851 census?
Thanks

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Apr 2011 22:20

Her birth doesnt appear to have been registered

patchem

patchem Report 11 Apr 2011 22:16

Were they definitely married before she was born?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Apr 2011 22:14

1861 born in Hoxton living in Shoebury Essex
Name: Martha Attrill
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Attrill
Mother's Name: Jane Attrill
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, Hoxton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: South Shoebury
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:Cottage John St or Artillery Row ,(not clear)
Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Great Wakering
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Attrill 34 occ brickman
Jane Attrill 30
Martha Attrill 10
Thomas Attrill 2


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1086; Folio: 28; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542750

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 11 Apr 2011 22:13



JANE MARIA ATTRELL
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
08 JAN 1851
Christening:
02 MAR 1851 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS ATTRELL
Family
Mother: JANE