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Help i'm stuck , looking for wife of fred alford , born 1871 motcombe dorset, his wife is Alice Grishilda .........? dont know maiden name ? i think she was born in 1874 in carshalton surrey ,married in 1893 ,all the children where born in glastonbury area. Many thanks in advance for any help , lee


His daughter's birth cert would give MMN:

Births Mar 1897
Alford Ursula Grishilda Wells 5c 481



have tried in tips room and was advised to try this room , hope someone can help, lee

For info........


1911 census - household transcription
Person: ALFORD, Fred
Address: 2 Hunts Buildings Glastonbury

ALFORD, Fred Head Married M 40 1871 General Labourer Shalflesbury Dorset VIEW
ALFORD, Alice Grishilda Wife Married
18 years F 37 1874 Wool Cutter Carshalton Surrey VIEW
ALFORD, Ursula Grishilda Daughter F 14 1897 Cutting Glastonbury Somt VIEW
ALFORD, Tom Son M 11 1900 School Glastonbury Somt VIEW
ALFORD, Gladys Alexandra Daughter F 5 1906 School Glastonbury Somt VIEW
ALFORD, Frederick Son M 4 1907 School Glastonbury Somt VIEW
ALFORD, Frank Son M 1 1910 School Glastonbury Somt VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
14538 Reference:
RG14PN14538 RG78PN881 RD313 SD2 ED5 SN66

Registration District:
Wells Sub District:
Glastonbury Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Glastonbury

Address:
2 Hunts Buildings Glastonbury County:
Somersetshire


The 1901 states Fred was born Shaftsbury Dorset.......


1901 England Census
about Fred Alford
Name: Fred Alford
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice G Alford
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Glastonbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Glastonbury
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Alford 31
Alice G Alford 27
Frederick Alford 5
Ursula G Alford 4
Tom Alford 1

???

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Fred Alford
Name: Fred Alford
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Shaftesbury
COUNTY: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 221

It's not lookin good Lee!!

... not seeing a marriage that fits the timescale per the 1911

Alice Hartnell got married to a Frederick Alford in 1893

????
According to Free BMD


Ria x

Edit : - well I thought she did. Alice Hartnell married in 1893.
Edit: - Nope - I can't find anything either. Sorry

Doesnt look like they married
This birth cert will give mmn

Births Dec 1909

Alford Frank Wells 5c 373

So looks like you going to have to buy one of the birth certs.

Not exactly a lot of Alice Grishilda's in free bmd or on any censuses.

Just curious how much of this info was already found in the previous thread, where that thread is now, and why any user of this website would advise anyone to post a duplicate thread, contrary to the rules of the website.

Not getting that 1893 marriage at all ???

Thats it then Lee.......as Shirley say's, looks like you will need to purchase one of the childrens birth certificates for the information you need.
Good luck..........PH x

Edit: What an interesting name......Grishilda!

Death?:
Deaths Sep 1950
Alford Alice G W 74 Bedford 4a 19

Possibly the previous thread was on a technical point as to what to do if no marriage showed?

Can you tell us when and where Fred and Alice died?

Would this be Fred?

Name: Fred Alford
Death Registration Month/Year: 1948
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 541


If so, patchem, that's another illustration of why threads about "technical points" -- or as I call them, hypotheticals -- are pointless. I assume the birth record in the opening post came from that now-deleted thread.

I'm just wondering about this Alice, the only Alice G born in the right reg dist at the right time:

Births Dec 1873
Humphris Alice Gertrude Epsom 2a 4

Name: Alice G Humphris
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 91
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 150


But a child's birth certificate will tell all.

All the children were born in Glastonbury and Glastonbury comes under the registration district of Wells

So this could be the death of Fred

Deaths Mar 1912
Alford Fred 42 Wells 5c 644

These are the children born under the Registration district of Wells

Births Mar 1903
Alford Gladys Alexandra Wells 5c 411
Births Sep 1905
Alford Gladys Alexandra Wells 5c 421
Births Dec 1906
Alford Frederick Wells 5c 392
Births Dec 1909
Alford Frank Wells 5c 373
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1912
Alford Charles MMN Chandler Wells 5c 748

Note the last child registered in March Quarter 1912 has mother's maiden name of 'Chandler' ... but as others have said it would be best to get one of the childrens birth certificates to confirm

Looks like Alice might have remarried

Marriages Mar 1914
ALFORD Alice G Penfold Wells 5c 742
Penfold George E Alford Wells 5c 742

Much better time/place line. ;)

I hate that at Ancestry you can't really search deaths by year of birth up until 1969! (with FreeBMD not being complete up to that year)

Could she possibly have married again??

Marriages Jun 1917
Owens Isaac Penfold Bridgwater 5c 541
Penfold Alice G Owens Bridgwater 5c 541


I don't see a death for George E Penfold (or Alice G Penfold) in England/Wales but there is

Name: PENFOLD
Initials: G E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Dorsetshire Regiment
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Date of Death: 05/10/1916
Service No: 3/8063
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Screen Wall. 1 "C." B. 1141.
Cemetery: GREENWICH CEMETERY

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards
Name: George E Penfold
Regiment or Corps: 1st Dorsetshire Regiment
Regimental Number: 3/8063
- image is annoted D of W 8-10-16

although the right George would presumably have been in his 40s.

Service record for George Edward Penfold at Ancestry shows he was in Gallipoli and died of wounds in England.

Oh yes. The military record contains a letter to Mrs. Alice G Owens, 1 Court Moat Lane, Bridgwater, regarding the forwarding of his medals. Full name: ALICE GRISHILDA OWENS.

image:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1219&path=P.Pe.Pen.10590&sid=&gskw=George+Edward+Penfold

pages 10606 and 10607 show her signed receipts for what appears to be pension dated 1920 and 1921, but only her given name (and initial on the second one) has survived as the pages are damaged.

Penfold had quite a disciplinary record. ;) Using disrespectful language in front of superior officer, drinking from his water bottle w/o permission, and back in England after an injury before returning to the front, a lot of failing to return on time from passes.

Antipodes, that info was all posted above.

There's no Alice G* Chandler birth, or Alice Chandler birth in Epsom, to match, unfortunately.

Good find with the Service Records, JaneyCanuck. Just been looking at them and I think it says that one of George's stepchildren was Charles born Wells 29.11.11 which fits in with birth registration that I gave with mother's maiden name of 'Chandler'

Glad you looked, LB, because I just went all the way through them and managed to miss the reference to the stepchild!