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From a marriage certificate of the ceremony held at Westminster Cathedral in Jan 1909 Charles is described as a bachelor, aged 32 of independent means and living in Tachbrook Street ,Westminster. His father is given as Henry Gordon (deceased) also of independent means. Charles is not at the same address in Claverton street ,Pimlico on the 1911 census but she states that she is married not widowed. Rita remarried in Decmber 1914 and claimed to be widowed when the marriage took place.
None of the hot matches with my tree on Genes Reunited have helped with identifying him and the names Charles, Henry and Gordon are common.
Any suggestions about how I could proceed gratefully received.
Lakewood

For INFO.......the marriage?

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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GORDON Charles St Geo.H.Sq. 1a 703
GORE Rita Daisy C St Geo.H.Sq. 1a 703

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Gore Rita C Brown St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1228

Why use her maiden name if she was widow? Sorry, but it looks like she fibbed.................

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GORDON, Rita Daisy Head Married
3 years F 26 1885 Caretaker Portsmouth VIEW
GORE, Violet Madeline Sister Single F 22 1889 Agantic Artist [aquatic artiste image] Portsmouth VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
448 Reference:
RG14PN448 RG78PN15 RD5 SD2 ED17 SN406

Registration District:
St George Sub District:
Belgrave Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
St George Hanover Square

Address:
70 Claverton St Pimlico S W

Have you looked at all the Charles Gordons on the 1911 census to see if any of them could be him?

Cant see anything, looks like you need their marriage cert.

Hello Lakewood, have you found Charles on any earlier census to confirm his birthplace?

Also, who were the witnesses on the 1909 marriage? They may hold some clues. What was his address in 1909?

The address from which he married is in the original post.................taken from the cert

Well, so it does Flick! Oops

Still need answers to other questions.

Placing my bet -- 1881:

Name: Charles Gordon
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Scholar

Civil parish: Lynton
County/Island: Devon
Street Address: School House
Registration district: Barnstable

Chas. John Swain 25 - certified master
Lucy Swain 58
Frank Percy Hughes 8
Arthur Hughes 7 - born Canada
Florence Hughes 5 - "
Charles Gordon 4 - "


Right age, right class. ;)


Births Jun 1876 ?
GORDON Charles W. Derby 8b 400

Rita's death

Name: Rita D C Brown
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 49 = dob c 1892
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 66


Do you know (or are you) the person who has put this postem on sister Violet's record at FreeBMD? -- unfortunately with no contact info:

Births Mar 1884
Gore Violet Madeline Portsea 2b 519

"21/04/2009 The above person's twin viz Daisy Constance who appears on the same page - 1884B10210 - has a different page number i.e. 519. There is no result for Daisy C. Gore in the "search". Is it because of the different page numbers?"

Births Mar 1884
Gore Daisy Constance Portsea 2b 519

It's all a bit odd. They clearly show as different ages in 1911?

I presume Rita is a nickname acquired because Daisy is a nickname for Marguerite.

1901 in Portsmouth:

Mahala Gore 51 - school swimming instructress
Sydney Gore 22
Daisy Gore 19
Violet Gore 19
Douglas Gore 15

Just trying to see whether figuring out how Charles and Rita crossed paths might help identify him.

Oops just realised that Charles Gordon's birth datee should be 1876/7 since he was 32 on the marriage certificate. His address is Victoria St Westminster.
Witnesses at marriage Leo Kearne and PJ Stokes. Did try looking for them in 1911 census without success.
I didn't add the postem on Freebmd, just read it. I have had email contact with a Gore family member who knows they were twins. Like you I'm puzzled by the difference in ages. Daisy and Violet have the same age on all censuses prior to the 1911 census.
I have both marriage Certs and the father William's occupation as a Captain in the Merchant Navy matches!

If you add a postem to the two births at FreeBMD -- and every other record relating to these people -- you might get somebody to respond to you.

The person who added that one just didn't read the instructions. Nobody at FreeBMD reads postems, let alone answers them. They're only for other users' benefit, and there's no way to contact anyone through the FreeBMD system. Always include an email address -- but use an anonymous/throwaway one like at Gmail, to avoid possible spam and protect privacy on line. For instance, I put mine as

xxxxxx at gmail dot com

This might be Leo Kearne:


Births Dec 1885
Kearn Leonard Petersfield 2c 144

Marriages Jun 1910
> GRAY Mabel Alice Droxford 2c 261 (see passenger record in post later)
> Kearn Leonard Droxford 2c 261
Oakes Edward Droxford 2c 261
RANDELL Ellen Louisa Droxford 2c 261

Hampshire connections there for sure.

I'm wondering whether Charles Gordon was in the military.

Considered that he might have been from Scotland but didn't turn up any good match in the censuses.

... still don't see him in the 1911 as anything starting with Leo* Kearn*.

No Kearn-Gray or Kearn-Randell births. Also don't see a death for him, including in WWI.

I wonder if this is P J Stokes??? Right area!!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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MARKS Charlotte Agnes St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 990
REEVE Harry Lawrence St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 990
>>>>>>>>STOKES Patrick John St.Geo.H. Sq 1a 990
UTTON Caroline Maria St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 990


Dee x

Here that one is in 1911:

STOKES PATRICK JOHN 1880 31 St George London

Wanna check out his occupation etc.? ;)

I haven't the subs JC......... but looking at earlier census details his father was a Builders Manager in 1891 and and Architect and Surveyor in 1881...... so I would say we maybe looking at the right chap??

STOKES, Patrick John Head Married M 31 1880 II (2 in Roman Numerals) Sacristan Westminster London St Pancras
STOKES, Charlotte Agnes Wife Married 1 years F 27 1884 London Battersea

RG number: RG14 Piece: 452 Reference: RG14PN452 RG78PN15 RD5 SD2 ED20 SN143
Registration District: St George Sub District: Belgrave Enumeration District: 20 Parish: St George Hanover Square
Address: 43 Clarendon ST County: London

Ah, so PJ Stokes was likely a witness of the official sort of variety, an employee of the cathedral. So much for that one.

Explains the absence of a death record for Leo:

KEARN Leonard 1886 1947 Southampton USA New York
KEARN Mabel 1888 1947 Southampton USA New York