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Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 15:18

Hi Everyone

Not sure whether I am posting this thread on the right bit, as such I suppose I am not looking for specific relatives (well I am) and want some advice or guidance from anyone that has any ideas.

I have researched my tree back to where people were born approx 1775 onwards, the first census I can look at is the 1841 Census so by this time they may possibly no longer be alive or if they are elderly, I am getting stuck as although I have found baptism records it doesn't confirm the occupation of the dad, so how do I search for them and know that I have found my relative, I hope this makes sense and I haven't waffled too much.

Many Thanks :-D

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 15:34

Do you now where they were born from a census?If so Familysearch or Hughwallis site are both free.You can also view the parish flich if you order it from Family History Center.Find them under library in Familysearch

Ellen

Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 15:38

Hi Ellen

Thanks for the advice, it is much appreciated. I only know where they were born from their baptism records, I have tried looking on the census but because I don't know what job they did and obviously because of when they were born I can't find them at home with their parents I seem to hit a brick wall

Thanks

x

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 15:43

Can you give me what you know/

Ellen

Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 15:46

Are you sure Ellen?

I have researched Samuel French born 1777 - but have found other siblings for him who are Anne French (1775), William French (1780), George French (1782), Peter French (1783), John French (1785), Jane French (1788) and Thomas Bush French (1791) they were all baptised at St Andrew in Middlesex and their parents are Edward French and Mary French (nee Freebody).

Thanks :-D

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 15 Jun 2011 15:49

Middy,

You have the batisms, so you have their parents names and possibly their fathers occupation?? or am I not understanding your question (which is not too hard for me!)

There are lots of records online, two good ones of which Ellen has posted.

What dates and area are you searching, if you post the names there may be someone on here that can kickstart you again.

Annx

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 15:50


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EDWARD FRENCH Pedigree
Male

Spouse: MARY FREEBODY Family
Marriage: 03 JUN 1770 Saint Andrew, Enfield, London, England


Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 15:55

Hi Ann

I don't know the fathers occupation unfortunately due to when the baptisms are they do not have to provide the occupation or their address where they were residing.

Thanks for everyones help - Ellen I will have a look on the two sites you suggested.

Thanks

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 15:58

Name: Mary Freebody
Spouse Name: Edward French
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 13 May 1770
Parish: St Andrew, Enfield
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield

Edward French of this parish-Batch.And Mary Freebody of the same parish ,widow

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 16:01

Married 3June 1769 ? Edward French signed Mary made her mark x
Witness- James Aylward?Jane Vicholson?
Ellen

Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 16:03

Hi Ellen

Yes that is them with regards to the marriage, honestly don't worry about looking for the other children I will have another go at looking, you gave me the two websites so I should be looking really not fair to you.

I really do appreciate your help though

Thanks again

x

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 16:42

Middy ,There is nothing unfair here .I asked you for details.
Ann hope your reading this.

Ellen <3

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 15 Jun 2011 16:51

Name: William French
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1841
Burial Date: 5 Jan 1841
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
County: London

Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 17:04

Hi Ellen

Thanks for saying that but I feel I was being a bit unfair it isn't like it is just one person, it just seems to get so hard when you go back further the clues seem to dry up.

I had a little look for Thomas Bush French and did find a baptism for a child he had (thank god for such an unusual middle name), appears that he was married to a lady called Ann and their child born 1813 was Mary Ann.

Thanks again :-D

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 15 Jun 2011 17:19

You could search for Wills on the National Archive site - there is no guarantee that any of the French family were wealthy enough to bother (or that the Will survived). But there may be leads.

Ditto for Military/Naval records, or Chelsea Pensioners (CP's are on FMP)

Middy

Middy Report 15 Jun 2011 17:26

Hi DetEcTive

Thanks for the advice - I will have a look for Wills on Ancestry as well.

Many Thanks

x

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 16 Jun 2011 08:48

Just popped on to see if you had got any further Middy, I did a quick search on FMP before I had to go out yesterday for any French connections.........there were a couple of Samuels that were transported one of them being from Middlesex.......clutching at any straws here!! lol

Annx

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Jun 2011 09:17

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Edward French
Name: Edward French
Burial Date: 19 Aug 1802
Parish: St Andrew
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Record Type: Burial

(not sure if related, but age is 58, says killed by Sir Francis Burdetts coach being drawn over him by 9 P??? Place)

Chris :)

Middy

Middy Report 16 Jun 2011 13:09

Hi Ann

I have Samuel's death certificate and confirms that his occupation was stone sawyer if that helps and he passed in 1840.

Hi Chris

Thanks for the information - he is definitely related he is Samuel and his siblings dad, I have some paperwork on his which a relative I found on Ancestry has kindly provided me with.

Apparently it was a big story at the time it happened.

Thanks

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Jun 2011 13:34

Yes Middy, looking at Sir Francis on google, he was some man!, seeing Burdett I thought about Bank, lol, seems he married into the Coutts family!.

Chris :)