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LOL Dea - thank you :-)
Though I'm not sure about completely sorted :-D

So glad you have it sorted Christine - Well done !!

Thanks for the update :-D

Dea x

I have a similar thing in my tree - my grandmother had a stepfather and when I was looking for her children (12 of them) I thought it was odd that I couldn't find all of them until I found out that, for each birth she swapped and changed her maiden name between her actual surname and her stepfather's surname??

She is no longer here for me to ask her but I often wonder why??

That's right Lynski :-)
I will never understand though why he used the name Tomlinson on everything apart from all census.

p.s. 1871 is Guest on Ancestry.

Hi, Christine.
Glad to see you have worked it out. So, even though Walter was really a Tomlinson he used his stepfathers name.

1861 census -
HOLLAND, Robert Head Married M 71 1790 Framework Knitter Whitwick
HOLLAND, Hannah Wife Married F 61 1800 Whitwick
HOLLAND, Jack Wm Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Collier
Whitwick
WILKINS, Sarah Daughter Married F 28 1833 Whitwick
WILKINS, Andrew Grandson M 6 1855 Whitwick
WILKINS, Mary Jane Granddaughter F 4 1857 Whitwick
TOMLINSON, Jane Ann Daughter Married F 22 1839
Whitwick
TOMLINSON, Walter Grandson M 1 1860
Whitwick
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2271 Folio:
111 Page:
3

Registration District:
Ashby-De-La-Zouch Sub District:
4 Whitwick Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address:
Town Street County:
Leicestershire


1871 census on FMP (no wonder I couldn't find them!)
GURST, Samuel Head M 34 1837 Staffordshire
GURST, Jane Wife F 32 1839 Leicestershire
GURST, Walter Son M 11 1860 Leicestershire
GURST, Edmund Son M 3 1868 Nottinghamshire
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3491 Folio:
86 Page:
33

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Bulwell Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Hucknall Torkard Municipal Borough:
Address:
Orchard Street, Hucknall Torkard County:
Nottinghamshire

Regards
Lynne

For Dea and Lynski if they are looking in -

I have just worked it all out (sort of) lol :-)
Walter was born Tomlinson and his father was Moses, not for long though.

Jane Ann Holland born April-June 1839 – Ashby de la Zouch – ref 15 26
Marriage of Jane Ann Holland to Moses Tomlinson – Ashby de la zouch 7a 138

Birth Oct-Dec 1859 Walter Tomlinson - Ashby de la Z ref 7a 100

Moses Tomlinson Died Jan-March 1865 Ashby de la Zouch 7a 75

Jane (No Ann and still as Holland) married Samuel Guest – Jan-March 1865 Basford 7b 117

Edmund Guest born July-Sept 1867 Basford 7b 140

In 1871 Walter is now listed as Walter Guest.

I'm sure I have it right - I see a few certs coming on. Odd that she married in the same quarter and miles away from where Moses died, but it all fits with the census right through from 1861.

Phewwwwwww
Christine :-)

Oh blimey - the plot thickens - thank you Dea. She is definitely Lucy Ellen on marriage cert and on Herbert birth cert on 18.10.1903.
Do you think we are following the wrong family.
Unfortunately the certs are all with her relative and she didn't take copies, only a few notes. So now have to wait for reply from relative.

p.s. I had to go to the dentists, so stop complaining about a few itchy hairs :-D :-D

Doesn't get us anywhere but I will post it as being of interest.

Note mother's name is Lucy Jane (Not Lucy E) ??

Name: Jane Ann Tomlinson
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1884
Baptism/Christening Place: SWINTON BY SHEFFIELD, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 1884
Birthplace: Swinton By Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Father's Name: Walter Tomlinson
Mother's Name: Lucy Jane

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13576-1
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1545736
Reference Number: - 2:2RDKFCQ
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Dea x

Sorry, had to go and have my hair cut (itching now - bits everywhere :-D)

Other details from that cert i.e. ages, addresses and witnesses might also be useful.

Dea x

Thanks Dea - me too.

I have just received a bit more info re e-mail. From marriage certificate the father of Walter is given as Moses. Friend says that she found a Moses Tomlinson with son Walter in Leicester but I can't find them in 1861 or 1871. Possible death for a Moses Tomlinson in Ashby de la Zouch (Leicestershire) in March 1865. p.s. Have e-mailed back to ask Walters occupation.

The 1900's information she has given me all fits the Guest lot!!

DO come back to us when you have some more details Christine - I am curious about this one!

Dea x

Sorry Lynski, I meant that it said she was born Swinton in 1891 census. That birth was the one I thought looked the most likely.

That Hector birth is another one of the ones my friend knows about who married May Worral. That's what makes it so odd.

I am going to e-mail her and find out EXACTLY what she has as proof - i.e. certs etc. Something seems very odd. No point in goinf any further I don't think until I have checked a few things.

Thank you so much for your interest :-)

???

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
TOMLINSON Hector Llewellyn Basford 7b 264

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Tomlinson Hector L Worrall Basford 7b 474
Worrall May Tomlinson Basford 7b 474

Agnes is actually 1887, not 1891

???

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
Tomlinson Agnes Rotherham 9c 676

Did Walter die and Lucy re-marry to a Tomlinson I wonder?

Then the children took on his name?

I will take a look.

Dea x

Well - the most likely birth for Agnes in Rotherham (says born Swinton in1891 which is under Rotherham) is in the name of Tomlinson.

I think I need a lie down ;-) :-)

Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Johnson Thomas Tomlinson Basford 7b 597
Tomlinson Bertha Johnson Basford 7b 597

Yes Lynski - that is supposed to be the marriage!! Odder and odder.

Apologies Dea - please see above.
I don't usually take someones word for it but she has the family details and certs of recent years and knows where they were living etc.

For instance - Bertha Tomlinson married Thomas Johnson from the 1911 address in 1915. Ahhhhhhh just checked and the most likely birth is Bertha Guest.

It gets stranger and stranger. Think I need to ask some questions and start from scratch.

???

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
TOMLINSON Walter Rotherham 9c 968
Walker Lucy Ellen Rotherham 9c 968