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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Susan	Report	25 Jun 2011 13:48
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	I am trying to find out who the parents of my grand mother was. She is Marion Chambers born about 1898. AT the Cottage of Contempt PH Winson Green Birmingham. Ive wondered what th PH stands for, I know there is a prison in Winson Green, it has been there for many years, I thought it may be prison hospital. I know My grandmother had a sister Lilly or LIllian. Could someone help me please, she married my grand father William Henry in 1921 Birminhgam. Sue
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 13:51
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	Hello Sue, have you ordered a copy of your grandparent's marriage certificate to see what (if any) details it gives for her father?
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 13:54
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	Is Chambers her married or maiden name? Is William Henry your grandfather's full name, or his first two names?
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 629 Send Message	Elaine	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:01
	is the spelling correct for your gt g/mother? mariOn is usually male...mariAn female. only reason i know is cos my nephew has marion as his middle name. may be worth trying the alternative spelling ;-)
	Researching: Evans.,Roughley.,Whitfield.,Parr.,Farrington(All Lancs); Birchall(Staffs):Mahon(Ireland)Rice(Ireland)Aughney(Carlow)Curran(Carlow)Kelly(Cork)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:03
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	Is this the marriage? Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1921 Chambers Marion Shaw Birmingham 6d 676 Shaw William H Chambers Birmingham 6d 676 Guessing it may be William Henry Shaw? As I said earlier, you really need her marriage certificate.
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18 936 Send Message	Flick	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:05
	Confirms maiden name.................. Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chambers Marion Shaw Birmingham 6d 676 Shaw William H Chambers Birmingham 6d 676 Please say what you think your 'brick wall' is................it is hard to imagine what it could be, with so much info readily available. You refer to her birthplace in detail - where did you get that info?
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23 482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:06
	I have to disagree, Elaine. I know many female Marions. I also have an Aunt Marion. Marian is often a short form for Mary Ann.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:08
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	My mother was also MariOn! Sue - are you sure it isn't the "Cottage of Content"? There is now a community centre there.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Susan	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:10
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Margaret your a gem yes I had spelt my grand mothers name wrong, She married William Henry Shaw in 1921 Birmigham dont know date. Thanks
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18 936 Send Message	Flick	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:12
	I can't see a record on freebmd of a birth in the Birmingham area......... Please say where you got her birth info............
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18 936 Send Message	Flick	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:14
	Her name was MARION.....as per her marriage record, which is from freebmd, where you can easily check yourself BOTH forms of the name are feminine...........I have friends with both spellings
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:20
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	Might this be her death? England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 Name: Marion Shaw Birth Date: 18 Oct 1898 Date of Registration: Mar 1984 Age at Death: 85 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 32 Page: 1806
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34 375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:22
	If the family above is correct, this looks like sister Lilly's birth. Births Mar 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chambers Lilian - Birmingham 6d 66 Wondering if there this is "Marion" ?? Births Jun 1899 Chambers Mary Ann - Birmingham 6d 162
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:22
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	This 1911 looks like the family Margaret found earlier: CHAMBERS, Jane Head Widow F 50 1861 Staff Wednesbury CHAMBERS, Marian Daughter F 13 1898 School Staff Smethwick CHAMBERS, Gladys Daughter F 11 1900 School Staff Smethwick Registration District: Kings Norton Sub District: Smethwick Enumeration District: 46 Parish: Smethwick Address: 44 Grove Lane Smethwick County: Worcestershire
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Susan	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Marie it could well be some one gave that info. Use to have to go into Winson Green Prison with the Solicitor I worked for. What a hell of a place.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Susan	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:41
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 63 Send Message	Thanks everyone. Marie all ready had Grans death thank you
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 2 823 Send Message	wisechild	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:43
	PH is an abbreviation for Public House. Nothing to do with the prison. Don´t think it´s there any more (the pub that is, not the prison!!!)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	25 Jun 2011 14:50
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18 042 Send Message	Of course! Given that family found in census were publicans -that fits!
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 629 Send Message	Elaine	Report	25 Jun 2011 15:22
	sorry if i caused offence to anyone...i was just offering a suggestion on alternative spelling. the marian and marion are just what I was aware of. didnt mean to imply that mariOn COULDNT be female.
	Researching: Evans.,Roughley.,Whitfield.,Parr.,Farrington(All Lancs); Birchall(Staffs):Mahon(Ireland)Rice(Ireland)Aughney(Carlow)Curran(Carlow)Kelly(Cork)
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 629 Send Message	Elaine	Report	25 Jun 2011 15:22
	sorry if i caused offence to anyone...i was just offering a suggestion on alternative spelling. the marian and marion are just what I was aware of. didnt mean to imply that mariOn COULDNT be female.
	Researching: Evans.,Roughley.,Whitfield.,Parr.,Farrington(All Lancs); Birchall(Staffs):Mahon(Ireland)Rice(Ireland)Aughney(Carlow)Curran(Carlow)Kelly(Cork)

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