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JOHN ARTHUR HUDSON AND ELIZA HUDSON SIBLINGS DISAPPEARED WITHOUT A TRACE ROUNDABOUT 1885 JUST AFTER THEIR MOTHER ELLEN DIED. ELLEN WAS MARRIED TO JOHN MIRFIN AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH. JOHN AND ELIZA HAD DIFFERENT FATHERS. ELIZA'S WAS SAMUEL HUDSON AND JOHN'S WAS UNKNOWN. ELLEN HAD A SISTER, EMMA, WHO MARRIED A CHARLES ELIJAH HOLBREY OR HOLBERY, THEY HAD CHILDREN ANNIE, HARRY AND ELLEN. HARRY WAS STILL LIVING AT ECCLESALL BIERLOW IN 1991 AND WAS 17 YEARS OLD. ANY NEWS OF HIM WOULD BE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED. ANNIE WOULD HAVE BEEN 26 AT THAT TIME AND ELLEN JUST 13 YEARS OLD. WE ARE STUCK IN THE MUD RIGHT NOW SO DO HOPE SOMEONE KNOWS SOMETHING.

Welcolme to the boards Doreen

As much as would like to help I just cannot read it. Could you please turn off your caps lock and put in a couple of spaces

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1881 England Census
about Eliza A. Hudson
Name: Eliza A. Hudson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's name: Ellen Mirfin
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Frederick St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4638
Folio: 107
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
John Mirfin 37
Ellen Mirfin 35
John W. Mirfin 15
Eliza A. Hudson 15
Joseph R. Mirfin 10
John A. Hudson 5
Mary J. Mirfin 2

Sorry but i can't make head or tail of the 1881 census posted above!

MIRFIN, John Head Married M 37 1844 Brittania Metal Spinner White
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
MIRFIN, Ellen Wife Married F 35 1846
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
MIRFIN, John W Son Single M 15 1866 Printer Compositor
Bridlington
Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Eliza A Step Daughter Single F 15 1866
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
MIRFIN, Joseph R Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, John A Step Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
MIRFIN, Mary J Daughter Single F 2 1879
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW

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Civil Parish:
Ecclesall Bierlow Municipal Borough:
Address:
16, Frederick St, Ecclesall Bierlow County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Did Eliza marry?

Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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GILLOTT Henrietta Sheffield 9c 628
>>>HUDSON Eliza Ann Sheffield 9c 628
LITTLEWOOD George Sheffield 9c 628
>>>WHITEHEAD Matthew Henry Sheffield 9c 628

Don't think this is her. Too old

WHITEHEAD, Matthew H Head Married M 31 1860 Joiner
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
.....WHITEHEAD, Eliza A Wife Married F 29 1862
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
WHITEHEAD, George H Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
WHITEHEAD, Elizabeth J Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
WHITEHEAD, James E Son M 0 (1M) 1891
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW

Civil Parish:
Nether Hallam Municipal Borough:
Sheffield Address:
3 House 4 Court, Spring Vale Road, Nether Hallam, Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)

This looks to be the marriage of Ellen Hudson to John Mirfin

Marriages Sep 1876
Hayes John Ibbotson Ecclesall B. 9c 365
>>Hudson Ellen Ecclesall B. 9c 365
>>MIRFIN John Ecclesall B 9c 365
Young Hannah Ecclesall B. 9c 365

and the birth of John A

Births Mar 1876
Hudson John Arthur Ecclesall B. 9c 368

So if Ellen was married her husband would have died between say Mar qtr 1875 & Mar qtr 1876

EDIT

This appears to be Eliza A's birth registration

Births Jun 1866
Hudson Eliza A Ecclesall B. 9c 270

Chances are that if Eliza & John were suppose to have different fathers then Ellen wasn't married when she had the children

Think that this is Ellen with first husband Samuel.

HUDSON, Samuel G Head M 28 1843 Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Ellen Wife F 26 1845 Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Anne E Daughter F 5 1866 Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Fergus Son M 3 1868 Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Florence Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire VIEW
FURNISS, Ellen Visitor F 10 1861 Yorkshire VIEW


Civil Parish:
Sheffield Municipal Borough:
Sheffield Address:
Back Of St Philip Road, Sheffield County:
Yorkshire

This isn't making any sense! If she was Ellen's sister how could she be called Hudson?

Marriages Sep 1868 (>99%)
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Dixon Emily Ecclesall b 9c 262
>>>Holbrey Charles Elijah Ecclesall B. 9c 262
>>>Hudson Emma Ecclesall B. 9c 262
Kay Edwin Ecclesall B 9c 262

Starting again

Is this Emma and Ellen?

HUDSON, Ann Head Widow F 55 1806 Washerwoman
Hathersage
Derbyshire VIEW
HUDSON, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 35 1826 Britannia Metal Rubber
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Britannia Metal Rubber
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
HUDSON, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Britannia Metal Rubber
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW

Civil Parish:
Ecclesall Bierlow Municipal Borough:
Sheffield Address:
Fentonvilla Gardens, Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)

I have deleted all the rubbish I put up!

Ah! It looks as though Ellen Hudson could have married Samuel hudson in Sept. Qtr. 1865 but her number has been mistranscribed.

Now i understand!

Hudson Ellen Ecclesall B. 9c 367
Hudson Samuel Ecclesall B. 9c 267

So Samuel died in 1872 which is why he is Eliza's father but not John Arthur's

Deaths Dec 1872 (>99%)
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HUDSON Samuel 29 Sheffield 9c 200

Gosh Astra good work. I have been looking on IGI for baps for both Ellen and Emma's children but there is nothing.

It seems their father was David Hudson a farmer.

could this be John Arthur ?

Marriages Mar 1904
Cleary Kate Ecclesall B. 9c 426
Mirfin John Arthur Ecclesall B. 9c 426

there are three Mirfin-Cleary births

but no that is the wrong John Arthur Mirfin

1911
MIRFIN JOHN ARTHUR M 1884 27 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding
MIRFIN KATE F 1887 24

but ... this death is the right age ?

Deaths Sep 1942
Mirfin John A 66 Surrey Mid.E. 2a 350
equals born abt 1876

this person in 1901 could be interesting ?

just thinking that John Arthur could have been called something else to distinguish him from his stepbrother John and stepfather John

Name: Arthur Merfin
it really says Maurice Arthur Mirfin
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Merfin
Gender: Male
Where born: Barrow On Son, Leicestershire, England

...... the whole family says born 'ditto' and I think it really meant ditto to the 'Sheffields' above not the Leicestershire one right above

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow

Arthur Merfin 24
Elizabeth Merfin 23
Elina Merfin 1
Eleanor Spencer 43 mother in law


Marriages Mar 1898
Mirfin Maurice Arthur Ecclesall B. 9c 419
Spencer Elizabeth Ecclesall B 9c 419

but there is no birth or death of a Maurice Arthur or Arthur Maurice Mirfin or any birth of a Maurice Arthur or Arthur Maurice around that time and place

Since John does have his middle initial in the 1881 census it suggests he went by his middle name

similarly Eliza has her middle initial and she was called Anne E in 1871


there are two Mirfin-Spencer births after 1911 and no other marriage to account for them

Births Dec 1914
Mirfin Ida I Spencer Camberwell 1d 1553
Births Jun 1918
Mirfin Kathleen Spencer Leeds 9b 499

and two people have that Kathleen in their trees at this website so it could be worth enquiring ?

Wow. I am overwhelmed by all you kind people helping to throw some light on the Hudsons. Many many thanks for all your efforts. The history as we know it so far starts with John Arthur's Mother Ellen. Her Father was Abraham Hudson, her Mother was Ann. Ellen had 5 sisters, Elizabeth, Ann, Jane, Caroline and Emma. Ellen married Samuel Hudson (same surname as herself) and they had a daughter Eliza born 1866. Samuel died 1872 and in 1875 Ellen gave birth to John Arthur. No Father listed on the birth certificate. Ellen married John Mirfin and they had a daughter, Mary, in 1879. Ellen died December 1884 and John Mirfin married again and moved away only taking little Mary . John Arthur and Eliza were not with him and his new family in 1891 Census. Eliza disappeared completely and John Arthur turns up as Maurice A Mirfin married to Elizabeth Spencer in 1898. But he cannot be found during the years 1885 to 1898. We are pretty sure Emma, his youngest aunt, married Charles Holbrey in 1868 but John Arthur was not with them in the 1891 Census. None of the other aunts can be traced. The missing years of John A could be crucial in tracking down who was his unknown Father. Sorry this has gone on a it but I thought it best to get it straight as far as we know after all your hard work for us.Thanks again.

I guess just to say that if you knew John Arthur Hudson was in fact Maurice Arthur Mirfin it would have saved a good deal of time on my part at least ........... coming along after the work has been done and giving the information you have is not terribly helpful ..........

if he lived and married under the name of his stepfatehr Mirfin I would doubt that he was living with his birth father during the intervening years

was stepfather John previously married and if so do you know when his first wife died ?

chrissiex, I do apologise to you and all the other kind persons for not going into so much detail in my first request,, the family history is so tangled that it would have taken pages to list everything and we really needed information on John Arthur and Eliza from the time they went missing. John would not have been living with his suspected birth father as circumstances would not have permitted that .We have no proof but the details of his whereabouts during those missing years may provide some vital information. His stepfather John was previously married to a Sarah who died in July 1874 in Sheffield. We have the death certificate. . They were living at 38 Sarah Street, Sheffield at the time of her death and it is a coincidence that the name of the Street is the same as her name, hopefully it is not an error. Really sorry you have been put to any unnecessary trouble over this.