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Please can any one help, I am looking for William Barton Cottell WHEELER who married Hetty Matilda [Lacey]1903 Ryde IOW she was born 1884 Ryde Isle of Wight
They had two girls, Hetty Lucy in 1904 & Dorothy Alice in 1907
I cannot find them in any index?
Thank you ,
Ann

:-S

Were they all alive in 1911?
Thanks

Yes they were all alive in 1911, William & Hetty had another daughter in in 1919, William trade was an ironmonger.
Ann

What is Williams year he was born..??

That is a large gap between 1907 and 1919.
Is the later birth definitely his family?
Not having any luck with 1911 (though it is playing up on my computer so is rather frustrating to search) Have tried profession, names of daughters without surnames, using Barton and Cottell as surnames, etc
Have you got him in 1901?
Thanks

Hi it looks as if they have been mistranscribed

1911 census transcription details for: 3 High Park Terrace Surbiton Grove St John's Ryde

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5727 RG78PN260 RD93 SD3 ED12 SN120


Reg. District: Isle of Wight Sub District: Ryde
Parish: St Helens Enum. District: 12

Address: 3 High Park Terrace Surbiton Grove St John's Ryde
County: Hampshire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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MEELER, William Head Married M 34 1877 Railway Porter Newport I of Wight


MEELER, Hetty Wife Married 8 years F 26 1885 Brading I of Wight

MEELER, Dorothy Daughter Single F 4 1907 Ryde I of Wight

MEELER, Hetty Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Ryde I of Wight


2 children born and still living in 1911 cenus

And he is not an ironmonger.

Thank you Patcham
And thank very much you Barbara yes that is them, that is wonderful.
Thank you again,
Ann

Death of Hetty M Wheeler,,,

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Death


Name: WHEELER, Hetty M
Registration District: Isle of Wight
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1962
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 78
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 901

You are welcome Ann ---Are you sure its the right family for you ? As patchem says, William is not an ironmonger !! is his date of birth about right ?

patchem I thought it was my computer playing up----1911 does seem pretty
s-l-o-w today . (and some of the other sites)

Barbara x

Wiiliam's death,,,

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Death


Name: WHEELER, William B
Registration District: Isle of Wight
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1951
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 74
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 730

Thank you Sue & Barbara
My father told me he was an ironmonger? maybe he was later on [I will check that out],
Yes that is the right family every thing fits except his trade, Hatty is living a few doors from her brother who also worked on the railway, I have the marriages of the girls in the census.
I don’t like to keep asking a lot of question to the lady born in 1919 as she gets a little confused but I will look in to it more,

Thank you for the deaths you found.

Ann

Please can someone look up the 1891 census
for William Barton WHEELER born 1877 Newport, Isle of Wight & his widowed ? mother Ellen born 1849 Newport, Isle of Wight, I think they were living in Ryde.

Thank you ,
Ann

1901 census

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: William Wheeler
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Wheeler
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: Ryde St Thomas and All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:77 St Johns Road

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 1025
Folio: 59
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Wheeler 54 --head --wid--
William Wheeler 22 =son---Drapers Porter
Minniel Cook 19 --relative--
Edward Philbrick 55 --boarder


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1025; Folio: 59; Page: 17.

1891 census ?? It Does say William H on the image, is this the wrong one ??

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: William H Wheeler
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Wheeler
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ryde

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Newport Street

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 890
Folio: 25
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Wheeler 37 --head --wid
William H Wheeler 10 --son
Beatrice E Wheeler 6 --daut


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 890; Folio 25; Page 5; GSU roll: 6096000.


EDIT----THIS IS THE WRONG FAMILY

Thank you very much Barbara,
Poor Ellen she her son, Births 1877 COTTEL William Barton, No father name Newport,
William Barton Cottle Male Baptism 23 Nov 1882 ALL SAINTS, RYDE, HAMPSHIRE, Father Blank Mother Ellen Cottle
didn’t Marry until, 17 Dec 1882 WHEELER Barton William 32 B, COTTLE Ellen 34 S, WHEELER William, COTTLE William Ryde Alla, And he died 1890 WHEELER William Barton 41, born 1848 .

I am not sure about the 1891, the ages are a little out, I did look for any siblings, WHEELER &COTTELL. there were none under mothers maiden name, but some under COTTON , I will check it out.

This is her in 1881 32 Albert St Census Place Ryde, Hampshire, E RG11 Piece / Folio 1178 / 117 Pg 29

Barton W. ELDRIDGE Head U Male 50 Newbridge, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Baker
Ellen COTTELL Lodger U Female 32 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
William B. COTTELL Lodger Male 3 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

Thank you again
Ann

Is this Ellens death index, Ann ?

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)

WHEELER Ellen [5_]7 I. wight 2b 377

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i will leave the 1891 census on but will mark it wrong one ---just so no one else makes the same mistake

The Ellen with Daughter Beatrice married a Henry james Phillips in 1892

Barbara x

Hi Barbara,
I have checked the above, it isn’t my Ellen, This is the one you found in 1891

IOWFHS Marriage 1879 WHEELER William. COTTON Ellen St Thomas, Ryde
Birth
1880 WHEELER Male COTTON Ryde R47/E189
1881 WHEELER William Herbert COTTON Ryde R48/E493
1884 WHEELER Beatrice Ellen COTTON Ryde R53/E
Thank you any way,
Ann

Hi Ann
Just a theory--it may be all no good !!!

What is the occ off Barton on Ellen and Bartons marriage cert ? Is he a BAKER ?

In the "actual image" for the 1881 census it looks (to me) as if Barton W. ELDRIDGE is age 30 ---not 50 !!!

I believe Barton W. ELDRIDGE (who Ellen and William was lodging with in 1881) and Barton William WHEELER (who Ellen married) are the same person.

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First his birth index

Births Jun 1851

WHEELER Barton William I of Wight 8 236
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His mothers marriage ?? (after rhe birth of Barton)

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
>>>>>>>Eldridge William Isle Of Wight 2b 693
Sheath Cornelius Isle Of Wight 2b 693
Shotter Ann Isle Of Wight 2b 693
>>>>>>>>>>>WHEELER Eliza I. Wight 2b 693
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This couple in 1861 census

1861 England Census 1861 England Census

Name: William Eldridge
[Barton William Wheeler]

(someone has put this on the census record for 1861 and 1871 census

Barton William Wheeler rather than William Eldridge
He was born before the marriage of William and Eliza, which shows her maiden name, but also the surname Wheeler. )

Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Eldridge
Mother's name: Eliza Eldridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Shalfleet, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: >>>PLAYER STREET
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
Household Members: Name Age
William Eldridge 32
Eliza Eldridge 28
William Eldridge 9
Emma Eldridge 6
Fanny Eldridge 3
James Eldridge 1


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 657; Folio: 147; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542679.
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So if the above is right could this be Ellen and William in 1891 census

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: William Eldridge
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Eldridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address >>>>> 24 Bedworth place

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Eldridge 43 --head---wid---Cook
William Eldridge 13 ----son----port errand boy
Eliza Bayley 54 ----single---lodger


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 891; Folio 77; Page 31; GSU roll: 6096001.



Hope you can understand it all lol !!!!

Barbara x

Hi Ann

What I was trying to say on above posting was if the Barton William WHEELER who married Ellen was "brought up" by William Eldridge and Eliza--He MAY have used the name Eldridge for everyday BUT on official records used his birthname Wheeler. Just maybe Ellen gave ELDRIDGE to the enumerator in 1891 census (as he did in 1881)

This looks like the
Extracted Christening record for Barton c1852

Barton William Wheeler

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 FEB 1852 Shalfeet, , Hampshire, England

Parents:
Mother: Eliza Wheeler

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:

C028084
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Barbara x