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I am trying to find the birth of James Hay Angus Dundee in freecen it says he was 30 in 1841 his parish record for marriage is 1830 no age his death record says he was 43 when he died 4.4.1851 I have no parents for him I cant find him on Scotlands People or IGI for his birth I dont know where else to look may be he is here in some ones family Can any one help me

There are two James Hay on the 1841 census from Angus, one a blacksmith and one a cabinet maker. Do you know which is yours please?

James Hay
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

residence: Angu, Scotland
parents: Charles Hay, Betty Milne

record title: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
name: James Hay
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Apr 1812
baptism/christening place: KIRRIEMUIR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father's name: Charles Hay
mother's name: Betty Milne
indexing project (batch) number: C11299-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 993443

My James is the blacksmith according to James Hay jr marriage cert he has given ihis fathers occupation as blacksmith

would Kirriemuir be the a part of Dundee or Eassie his death record says Ph of Eassie I believe that means Parish of Eassie ?

So it is this one?

1841 Scotland Census
about James Hay
Name: James Hay
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Angus, Scotland

Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Perth Road
Occupation: Black Smith
Parish Number: 282
Household Members: Name Age
James Hay 30
Catherine Hay 25
Mary Hay 5
James Hay 2
Catherine Paterson 60


If you have the marriage of him what is his fathers name???

I have only looked at what scotlandspeople shows online as a parish record and there is only Catherine Brown`s fathers name not James`s father I dont know if I apply for the actual record if there would be anymore info than that as I am not used to scotlands records

Not all parish records give the names of the bride and groom's fathers - it varies from parish to parish. The actual image may not give you any more detail than you have.

Kirriemuir is closer to the parish of Eassie than Dundee.

fairy godmother that is the right census record

There was also a James born in Parish of Eassie

JAMES HAY
Birth:
Christening:
02 FEB 1804 Eassie And Nevay, Angus, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES HAY
Mother: JEAN OGELVY

The Hay's were in the "Eassie and Nevay" Parish Angus back in the 1600's


Margaret Hay spouse to John Nevay of that ilk, par. of Methie 13 Jan 1615

Eassie and Nevay is a parish, which lies in Angus Council Area, some 6 miles (10 km) southwest of Kirriemuir and 8 miles (13 km) southwest of Forfar in Angus.

It is located in the old county of Forfarshire, which disappeared following the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1974.

1804 may be at bit to early as his death says 43yrs old in 1851 I know that only goes on what the informant says but the 1841 census says 30 yrs in 1941 and I would imagine that James or Catherine would have given this age I also realise that some people didnt know how old they were This is fantastic info that everyone is giving me I would not have a clue where any of these places are as I am in Australia I am sure between us we can track down either the birth or the right parents for James

These may be of some help...

1. JAMES HAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 DEC 1767 Eassie And Nevay, Angus, Scotland

2. ISOBELL HAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 24 JAN 1736 Eassie And Nevay, Angus, Scotland

3. JOHN HAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 22 MAY 1768 Eassie And Nevay, Angus, Scotland

I thing that one of these marriages will probably be one I will need but with James being born early 1800s they may be grand parents of James but I am keeping this record I just cant be sure because I would be looking for repeating christian names

Remember that ages were rounded down to multiples of 5 for the 1841 census. So someone whose age is given as 30 could be anywhere between 30 and 34 years of age.

Ages on the 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5, so he could have been anything from 30 to 35!

Have you looked at the actual image of his marriage on scotlandspeople? That is an image of the original parish record which you can download or print.

Yes I have just had a look at the 1841 cesus record I have and all the adults are either 0 or 5 except for children there ages are listed 1 to 14 on the page I have does this mean that the adults may not have know there age?

No, they may have known their ages, but the enumerators who filled out the sheets which we see, were instructed to round adults ages down to the nearest five. Most of them did, but some did not.

On his marriage cert. it should tell you (or usually does) which Parish both the bride and groom belonged to

Liz

Iam looking at the Scotlands people copy I downloaded so I dont know if I would get more info if I applied for the actual record but it says and I quote Anno 1830
June 5 James Hay Blacksmith and Catharine Brown daughter of the late John Brown Mason both in this Parish June 19
other people who married on this page have got written in this Parish or in the Parish of Longforfarshire or Parish of Dundee