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patriciaanne
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17 Mar 2012 10:26 |
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Can anyone please help with any information on Mary Jane SHIELS prior to her marriage to George Robert MASON.
I have a marriage certificate: Date 14 August 1880 Register Office Sunderland, County Durham Mary Jane Shiels Age 23 years Spinster Residence 1 Wood Side Bishopwearmouth Father - Henry Shiels (deceased) - Officer in HM Customs and George Robert MASON Age 26 years Bachelor Occupation - Upholsterer Residence 24 Thomas Street Monkwearmouth Father John MASON Grocer
The couple and their family are on census records in1881, 1891, 1901. Mary Jane MASON is on the 1911 census as a widow with her children. Mary Jane MASON gives her place of birth as Peniwote? or Scotland. It is believed in my family that she came from Penicuik but I can find no record of her birth in Scotland.
Death Certificate for Mary Jane MASON 19 March 1913 Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne age 56 years
Prior to her marriage I can find no record of her living with her family - father's name Henry Shiels on either the 1861 or 1871 census in either Scotland or England. Maybe her father was already deceased.
There is a marriage record of a Henry Shiells, Excise Officer in the Parish of Dundee and Mary Hunton, Penicuik, in this Parish 3rd June 1852.
I have also found a record of a baptism on 29 January 1854. Henry Shiells, Revenue Officer and his wife Mary Hunter in Fettercairn had a daughter born at Dundee 21 October 1953 and baptised at St Andrews Chapel Fasque 29 January 1854 named Margaret Eliza.
I haven't been able to find any record of this family on the 1861 or 1871 census in Scotland or England.
I have been unable to find any record of another daughter named Mary Jane Shiells. I have no way of connecting this Henry Shiells and his wife Mary Hunton (Hunter?) to my Mary Jane Shiels (also spelt Shields at a later date). Maybe not even mine?
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thank you.
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AnnCardiff
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17 Mar 2012 16:51 |
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not having much luck here :-( :-( :-(
found this one
Mary Shiels Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 06 Jan 1863 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND residence: 1863 Mlot,? Scotland parents: Henry Shiels,? Mary Mc Laren
name: Mary Shiels gender: Female birth date: 06 Jan 1863 birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND father's name: Henry Shiels mother's name: Mary Mc Laren indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
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Catherine
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17 Mar 2012 17:45 |
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just for ref:-
1881 England Census about Mary Jane Mason
Name:Mary Jane Mason Age:24 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:Geoe.Robt. Mason Mother's Name:Ann Mason Gender:Female Where born:Pennywote ?, Scotland Civil parish:Newcastle on Tyne St Andrew County/Island:Northumberland Country:England Street Address:7 Albion Street Condition as to marriage:Married Registration district:Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:7 Piece:5057 Folio:161 Page Number:32 Household Members: Name Age
Geoe.Robt. Mason 27 Mary Jane Mason 24 Geoe.Robt. Mason Ann Mason 54
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17 Mar 2012 17:46 |
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In 1911 Mary Jane's birthplace certainly looks like Pennycook which is pronouced very similiar to Penicuik. You may have this already but could this be the Mary Hunton in 1851 who later married Henry? Interesting that the father Charles was also a Officer Of Inland Revenue
1851
Name: Mary Hunton Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Hunton Mother's Name: Margt Hunton Gender: Female Where born: England Parish Number: 697 Civil parish: Penicuick Town: Penicuick County: Midlothian Address: Main St Occupation: At Home ED: 5 Page: 9 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 39 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_190 Household Members: Name Age Charles Hunton 50 Officer Of Ireland (Inland?)Revenue Margt Hunton 40 Mary Hunton 19 Jane Hunton 16 Isaba Hunton 14 James Hunton 12 Charles Hunton 10 Margt Hunton 8 Edward Hunton 6 Cathne A Hunton 4 Jno Robt Hunton 2
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Catherine
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17 Mar 2012 18:24 |
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????
1861 Scotland Census about Mary Shiels
Name:Mary Shiels Age:5 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856 Relationship:Boarder Gender:Female Where born:St Cuthberty, edinburghsh Registration number:694 Registration district:Midcalder Civil parish:Midcalder County:Midlothian Address:Well Street Occupation:Scholar ED:5 Household schedule number:35 Line:1 Roll: CSSCT1861_133 Household Members: Name Age James Clarkson 46 Isabella Clarkson 45 Helen M Y Clarkson 5 Elizabeth Robb 2 Elizabeth Shiels 8 Agnes Shiels 7 Mary Shiels 5 EDIT:- Not this one, see below.
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Catherine
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17 Mar 2012 18:30 |
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1861 is not correct one but I will leave it for elimination:-
Birth/Christening, 1850 - 1860, Midlothian, Scotland, British Isles Father: Robert Shiels, Mother: Elizabeth
1. MARY GILLESPIE CUTHBERTSON SHIELDS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 24 MAR 1856 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 2. ELIZABETH JANE SHIELDS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 NOV 1852 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 3. AGNES ANDERSON SHIELLS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 29 APR 1854 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 4. ELIZABETH JANE SHEILLS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 NOV 1852 Dean And Chalmers Free Church, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
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Catherine
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17 Mar 2012 18:37 |
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The birth/marriage for Margaret Eliza:-
MARGARET ELIZA SHIELLS Female Event(s): Birth: 21 OCT 1853 Christening: 29 JAN 1854 Fettercairn, Kincardine, Scotland Parents: Father: HENRY SHIELLS Mother: MARY HUNTER
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17 Mar 2012 19:38 |
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Whilst this Henry may not be yours I wonder if he was the one who married Mary Hunton. Interesting that he was lving with someone who worked for the Inland Revenue
1851
Name: Henry Shiells Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Gender: Male Where born: Haddington, haddingtonshire (East Lothian) Parish Number: 709 Civil parish: Haddington Town: Haddington County: East Lothian Address: Lodge Street Occupation: Formerly Attorneys Clerk In The Excheguer Edinburgh ED: 1 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 55 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1851_192 Household Members: Name Age Alexander McDaugall 43 Officer Of Inland Revenne Cathrie Mcdougall 43 Daniel Mcdougall 15 James Mcdougall 9 Alexander Campbell Mcdougall 1 Janet Wilkie 15 Henry Shiells 21 Eliza Garner Shiells 20 Ross Shiells 16 John Cooper Shiells 14 Jane Peadie 16
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alviegal
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17 Mar 2012 21:47 |
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Just to discount the birth found by AnnCardiff, that particular Henry was a coachbuilder who was still around in 1891.
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patriciaanne
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17 Mar 2012 21:53 |
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Apologies for the late reply - morning again in Australia. Thank you for all the information. Looks like I have some work to do. I had also seen the 1851 census with Henry Shiels living with Alexander McDougall the Inland Revenue Officer in Lodge Street Haddington and wondered if there was a connection. There is also a Mary Shiels (born about 1859) on the 1871 census, a servant, living with the Brown family in Court Street Haddington which is the same street that a Henry Shiells was living in on the 1841 census. Maybe wishful thinking on my part but perhaps there is a link somewhere.
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patriciaanne
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17 Mar 2012 21:57 |
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Could someone please look up the 1871 census for me to follow up on the Elizabeth, Agnes and Mary Shiels that "Catherine" posted above on the 1861 census. Thnak you.
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Helen
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17 Mar 2012 22:00 |
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Another view of the 1851 census for Henry Shiells from Freecen.
It is transcribed as a separate dwelling .. not attached to the McDougall family.
Piece: SCT1851/709 Place: Haddington -East Lothian Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Haddington Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Haddington Folio: 0 Page: 14 Schedule: 55 Address: Lodge Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks SHIELLS Henry - U M 21 Frmr Attorney's Clerk Exchqur East Lothian - Haddington SHIELLS Eliza Gemma Sister U F 20 East Lothian - Haddington SHIELLS Ross Brothr U M 16 Lawyer's Apprentice East Lothian - Haddington SHIELLS John Cooper Brothr - M 14 Scholar East Lothian - Haddington PEADIE Jane Servnt U F 16 Domestic Servant East Lothian - Haddington
Same family in 1841 .. living in Court St.
Piece: SCT1841/709 Place: Haddington -East Lothian Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: St Johns Haddington Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St John Q.S.- Folio: 7 Page: 5 Address: Court Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks SHIELLS William M 40 Brewer East Lothian SHIELLS William G. M 15 East Lothian SHIELLS Henry M 12 East Lothian SHIELLS Elizabeth G. F 10 East Lothian SHIELLS Robert T. M 8 East Lothian SHIELLS John C. M 5 East Lothian SCOTT Lizy F 45 Female Servant East Lothian EDINGTON Marrion F 20 Female Servant East Lothian SHIELLS Ross M 6 East Lothian
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Helen
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17 Mar 2012 22:22 |
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Some of the children from the 1851 census K sent
Father: Charles Hunton Mother: Margaret
Jane Hunton - Gender: Female Christening: 02 NOV 1834 St Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England
Margaret Hunton - Gender: Female Christening: 08 JAN 1843 Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
JOHN ROBERT HUNTON - Gender: Male Christening: 04 FEB 1849 Saint Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
CATHARINE ANN HUNTON - Gender: Female Christening: 03 MAR 1847 Saint Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
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GlitterBaby
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17 Mar 2012 22:33 |
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1861 will not help
Name: Elizabeth Shiels Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: St Cuthbert, edinburghsh Registration number: 694 Registration district: Midcalder Civil parish: Midcalder County: Midlothian Address: Private Houses Occupation: Scholar ED: 5 Household schedule number: 35 Line: 24 Roll: CSSCT1861_133 Household Members: Name Age James Clarkson 46 Isabella Clarkson 45 Helen M Y Clarkson 5 Elizabeth Robb 2 Elizabeth Shiels 8 Agnes Shiels 7 Mary Shiels 5
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patriciaanne
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17 Mar 2012 22:55 |
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I am fairly new at this. Does anyone have any suggestions on what they would do from here?
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Helen
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17 Mar 2012 23:13 |
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Dundee Directories:
1853: Henry Shills - Officer of the Inland Revenue - living at 26 Small's Wynd.
This could fit in with the marriage information you found for Henry Shiells and Mary Hunton in Dundee 1852
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patriciaanne
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17 Mar 2012 23:54 |
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Thank you Helen - I have not seen that before.
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patriciaanne
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18 Mar 2012 01:02 |
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I have found a record on The National Archives for a Henry Shiells Item Reference CUST 116/34/12 Henry Shiells. Entry Papers for services as an Excise man 1851
If I order and pay for this record can anyone give me an idea of what information I am likely to receive.
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18 Mar 2012 06:29 |
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Sorry I don't know what information it would contain.
On another approach Henry, Mary and family seem disappear by 1861. Have you tried Scotlands People for Henry's death or Mary's.
Edit - Scotlands People also have detials of wills etc and maybe these would explain why the family disappear with Henry dying in Ireland
SHIELLS HENRY 15/02/1864 OFFICER OF INLAND REVENUE RESIDING AT RAMELTON IN COUNTY DONEGAL NOTE OF LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION ONLY EDINBURGH SHERIFF COURT INVENTORIES SC70/1/119
SHIELLS HENRY 15/02/1864 OFFICER OF INLAND REVENUE, RESIDING IN RAMELTON IN COUNTY OF DONEGAL LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION EDINBURGH SHERIFF COURT WILLS SC70/4/90
Also found this death announcement-
November 13 1863 - November 10, at his residence, Ramelton, MR HENRY SHIELLS, officer of Inland Revenue, aged 85 years. Maybe the age was a mistranscription and could be 35
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/aughnishbmdnotices.htm
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patriciaanne
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18 Mar 2012 07:33 |
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I have sent a request for the cost of the Entry Papers for Excise Men to The Archives.
I also found the above records and death announcement recently. I hadn't thought about a wrong transcription but have made a note to see if that Henry Shiells could possibly be the father of the Henry Shiells I am following. I m putting all the pieces of information I am receiving together in the hope that they may lead somewhere. I am going to Scotland and Ireland in July on a Family History journey so the more I know before then the better. Thank you for your interest.
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