Find Ancestors

I have come back around looking at my James George Reddington ancestors.
A kind person previously looked up St Saviour records and found the above marriage. Recently I decided to send for the certificate as another relative has come up with some different info.
Much to my surprise, the record office said that James George R did not marry Susan Wingrove. Can anyone please check the Southwark records for me again and throw some light on this?
I really need to f ind someone called Susan marrying a James George Red(d)ington.

When and where was James born, do you have his parents please


x

This is the marriage that you mention, the other spouse is Susan and she married John Lane


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: James Reddington
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Martha Marshall
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Dec 1871
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Reddington
Spouse Father Name: James Marshall
Register Type: Parish Register

These are the only two marriages on Findmypast for a James G. Reddington:-



Name: REDDINGTON, James George
Registration district: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 116

MarriageFinder: James George Reddington married one of the following people:

RATCLIFF, Marian Alice
WARD, Ann Isabella
SHORT, Richard Henry

OR:-


Name: REDDINGTON, James George
Registration district: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1900
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 213

MarriageFinder: James George Reddington married one of the following people:

FORDHAM, Ada Edith
MELLON, Annie Lavinia
COATES, John Albert

Kath. x

Which census have you found him on married to a Susan

I can't find a James Reddington married to a Susan anywhere. Where have you found them?

Nor me

??

Name: James Reddington
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1871
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1871
Father's Name: James Reddington
Mother's name: Susan Lambert Reddington
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


There are a couple of other possible baptisms




??
Name: James George Redington
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1875
Baptism Date: 17 Oct 1875
Father's Name: James Redington
Mother's name: Susan Redington
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


James is a costermonger

I think this is the James that married in December 1871 (in the 1881 census):-

1881 census transcription details for: ?, Bishop Stortford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1407
Folio: 11
Page: 16
Reg. District: Bishop Stortford
Sub District: Bishop Stortford
Parish: Bishop Stortford
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: ?, Bishop Stortford (image looks like Nursery Cottages)
County: Hertfordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

REDDINGTON, Jas Head Married M 39 1842 Baker
W Roothing, Essex
REDDINGTON, Martha Wife Married F 31 1850
Chelmsford, Essex
REDDINGTON, Ada G Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Thetford, Norfolk
REDDINGTON, Fred G Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Thetford, Norfolk

Kath. x

Possible?

1871 England Census
about Susan Reddinton Name: Susan Reddinton
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Reddinton
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 291
Piece: 599
Folio: 84
Page Number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
James Reddinton 20
Susan Reddinton 19
James Reddinton 7 Months

1881 might match the 1871

Name: James Redington
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Susan Redington
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges

Civil parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 79 Tabard St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 521
Folio: 120
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Susan Redington 26
Samuel Redington 7
James Redington 5
Amelia Button 22

No she is too young to match the 1871

She is a widow and a hawker

I wish Janice would come back to tell us what she knows. Children? Etc.

I have a feeling that the James and Susan in the 1871 census with baby son James were probably NOT married. I can't find a record of the marriage on Findmypast.

This looks like the birth of the son (the certificate would give his mother's name):-

Name: REDINGTON, James
Registration district: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1870
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 31

Kath. x

Perhaps the 7 month old son on the 1871 census died and Susan named another son James (there is this death):-

Name: REDDINGTON, James
Registration district: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1873
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 3
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 58

Kath. x

??

John Redington 24 Sep 1871 James Redington, costermonger
Susan Redington St George the Martyr Southwark

James George Redington 17 Oct 1875 James Redington, costermonger
Susan Redington Newington St Mary Southwark



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Reddington
Name: John Reddington
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 39

Previous thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1233373

So why didn't you add to your previous thread, Janice? There's a lot more info there. You left us in the dark on this one and didn't return to answer questions.

My great grandparents were the James and Ada Fordham registered in 1900 although I had them marrying before that-weird. From the certificate we know that James' father was also a James George and that that James was old enough to be the one born in 1875.
Therefore I have been working on the assumption that his mother was a Susan so from what you guys have found for me, the elder James does looks like the costermonger.

Sorry I didn't come back more qucikly, I wasn't expecting such a keen repsonse that fast.
I have been going on the 1881 census for the widow Susan with sons Samuel and James being the right one but this is now the problem which I can't prove and of the marriage I can't find.

As my great grandfather died very young of liver cirrhosis in the genetically inherited form, my guess has been that Susan was widowed young due to the same cause. Not being able to find a very much older Samuel Reddington that matches this kind of backs up my theory but it is also fairly spurious. I believe that my great grandmother Ada gave birth to another James George a few months after my Great grandfather died but as I haven't bought this baby's birth certifcate, I haven't confirmed that. The chances are that all the males in that line inherited the disease.

It also looks like the 1871 data could be correct and that Susan did give birth to an earlier James George who died at 3. This would account for a first living son, Samuel, NOT having his fathers names but the thirdborn being given the name instead. I don't think the herfordshire connection is likely, especially if the Martha and James who married in Southwark and the ones later recorded in Herts. My grandmothers ancestors probably all had stalls on the streets. I know she did hersself when she was a teenager

I think I may have to check out the Marian Ratcliff lead now too.