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AQ, I can't see that record at FMP but here's a list of street names in Manchester beginning with 'P'

http://www.proviser.com/regional/towns/manchester/street_maps/p

I'm not suggesting that you look yourself but the poster might want a try

Princess?...(looks to still be there, from google)

Chris :)

Only because Manchester has been mentioned

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Gallon Household (4 People)
91 Lansdowne Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Elizabeth S Gallon 14 Jul 1894 Costume Gown & Fire Saleswo
Emily A Gallon 11 Jun 1858 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Alice E Gallon 13 Jan 1886 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Guslow A Linck 01 Nov 1870 Export Merchant Textile & He

1939 Register Transcription (Find My Past)

180 Princess Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire
Clin Fongtoy 09? Jan 1903 Male Laundryman Married
Chu Au Chug Fongtoy 17 Sep 1914 Female Housewife Married

Chris :)

edits

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11879559

(Naturalisation Certificate: Fong Toy Chin. From China. Resident in Moss Side)


(also there 1948, from google below)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38482/page/6545/data.pdf

Martin


Correction .......

I did NOT conclude that Elizabeth had to be born ca 1900 to have had your father in 1900.

I still think that she may have been born earlier than that, as she had obviously married Mr Wilson prior to 1921 ........... shown by the fact that your father was registered in both those surnames for her.

She may well have been a war widow ......... married around 1914 for example and then Mr Wilson was killed.

She could in fact have been born as early as 1875-1888 and still have been young enough to have had a child in 1921


I just concluded that the Mary Elizabeth Gallon that I'd found and traced could not be the one because she was too old.

Thank you Austin, you were very helpful as well as the people who responded on my thread to come up with this information, i am slowly putting together my father's past bit by bit, so that was very helpful
My grandmother is still a bi of a mystery so i will continue with my research with finding something about her
About the address, i am not sure at this moment
Thank you :-)

Thank you Chris and Rambling Rose, yes i recall Princess Road and the names mentioned are my dad's relatives, my uncle
Since i started this thread less than a week ago, i have been amazed with the replies i have received, my grandmother still a mystery but with the replies i have received so far, i am optimistic
Thanks all

Thank you Sylviain, for your thoughts regarding my grandmother, yes, it is strange that my father's name is mentioned twice. It is a possibility that Elizabeth Gallon could have been born in 1894 (as she would have been 27 years of age)
My father mentioned she was Welsh, i dont think it is much to go on
The only facts i have is on my dad's birth certificate, it mentions 89 Church St, Runcorn as their UK address

Martin

women can be as old as 50 and have children, though that is rare unless the women has previously had a lot of children.

I would consider that an age range up to the age of 45 could be well within consideration.

It is not at all strange that there are two birth registrations for your father.

It simply means that your mother was married (Wilson), and that Gallon was her maiden name. If the father had been her husband Mr Wilson, then that would have been it. There would ahve been only 1 birth registration.

In your father's case, it means that Mr Wilson was not the father, and your mother was honest in admitting that to the Registrar, so the birth had to be registered twice ............. once in her legal name of Wilson, and once in the name of Gallon because Mr Wilson was either dead or would not allow his name to be used.

Wilson was Elizabeth's legal name because once a woman married back then, she took her husband's surname and kept that name unless she married again or legally changed her name

Thanks Sylviain for your clarification, i am still none the wiser. Are there any marriage records available covering Gallon & Wilson? I checked 89 church st(Runcorn) but came up with a blank,my grandfather's name was Chin Dock (born in China) but he came over to UK as a seaman. I am sorry that i dont have that much information, i suppose its like looking for a needle in a haystck

Re the Elizabeth S Gallon on the 1939 Manchester, just for ref

This is her in 1911, mother and sister same as 1939

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Roxborough Place Heaton N/c, Heaton, Northumberland, England

Emily Ann Gallon Head Widow Female - 52 1859 Gateshead Durham
Mary Gallon Daughter Single Female - 29 1882 Rothbury Northumberland
Alice Emily Gallon Daughter Single Female General Assistant 25 1886 Rothbury Northumberland
Jane Victoria Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 23 1888 Rothbury Northumberland
Hilda Florence Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 21 1890 Rothbury Northumberland
Elizabeth Septima Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 16 1895 Gateshead Durham
William Anthony Gallon Son Single Male School 12 1899 Heaton Newcastle
Winnifred Edith Gallon Granddaughter Single Female - 1 1910 Broomhill Northumberland
Thomas Nevin Boarder Single Male Draughtsman 26 1885 Allendale Northumberland

She died Deaths Mar 1978
GALLON ELIZABETH SEPTIMA ABOUT1894 E CLEVELAND 3 3216

I am just wondering if, on a very very outside chance she may have lived with a Mr Wilson and taken his name without being married?

Otherwise the only Gallon /Wilson marriage I can see is this one

Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
Gallon Sarah Wilson Tynemouth 10b 551
Wilson William Gallon Tynemouth 10b 551

Don't suppose you have any idea of age for Dock?...

Chris :)

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription (Find My Past)

Dock Ching Ah 1889 (16th Jan. Birthplace China. Rating, Sailor)


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(above, but not seeing a lot, Welsh Newspapers)


(also below)


1911 (Find My Past)
Low Ching Head Married Male General Dealer 29 1882 Canton China Resident China
Margaret Ching Wife Married Female Boarding House Keeper 24 1887 Liverpool Lancashire
Mary Winifred Ching Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Liverpool Lancashire
Dorothy Daley Servant Single Female House Maid 19 1892 Liverpool Lancashire
Shan Shu Gun Boarder Single Male Sea Man 24 1887 Honkong China
Tong Sai Boarder Single Male Sea Man 34 1877 Honkong China
Chin Be Shew Boarder Single Male Sea Man 21 1890 Honkong China
Low Choy Boarder Single Male Sea Man 30 1881 Honkong China
* Des Chin Boarder Single Male Sea Man 34 1877 Honkong China*
Ah Yow Boarder Single Male Sea Man 24 1887 Honkong China
Address 18 And 19 Bull Ring North Shields
Parish Tynemouth
County Northumberland
Census reference RG14 PN30761 RG78 PN1758 RD559 SD2 ED29 SN315
(for Low, says Married 3 yrs, 1 child born, 1 living)


Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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CHING William Low W.Derby 8b 610
POWNALL Margaret W. Derby 8b 610


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909

CHING William L POWNALL Margaret West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/251/3

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


(then there is this)


GRO MARINE DEATHS INDICES (1903 to 1965) Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) DACK
Last name CHIN
Gender Male
Age 70
Birth year 1872
Death year 1942
Vessel TAIPING
Page 49
Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)
Record set British nationals died overseas 1818-2005


(not an easy one to research, as you have found, so many variants coming up everywhere, and probably ages on records can't be taken as gospel either!, shame you don't have more to go on!, the way this family history goes I'm afraid, lol)


edits

(has below been posted?)

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First name(s) CHIN
Last name LEE
Gender Male
Birth year 1921
Birth day 18
Birth month 1
Marital status M
Occupation LAUNDRY PROP
Departure year 1956
Departure day 28
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
(last UK Address, 35a, Oxford Street, Manchester)

In the 1924 passenger list for Chin Lee posted on the previous page, Dock Lee was aged 50. So born c1874?

From memory there were other entries for him on the passengers lists, which could be checked.

Thanks Chris, yes, i would have been 2 years old when my father took my 3 older brothers to Hong Kong for schooling,i was too young to go. My brothers returned about 6-7 years later, un beknowing to me and my younger brother that we had 3 older brothers who suddenly appeared

To Rambling Rose, thank you again for your detective work, i give you that you are very diligent and tirelessly helped to find out who my grandmother was. I am still a bit unsure if the Elizabeth Gallon was my grandmother but i cant dismiss it at the moment as i dont have much to go on. i

Thanks also Detective,my grandfather took my father who must have been 3 years old to China

Not sure what the following means:
Elizabeth Wilson
L2LP-V2L
Any ideas?

I dont know whether i am barking up the wrong tree but i found a Elizabeth Gallon :
GALLON ELIZABETH 1900 — 1900 Births & baptisms South Shields, Durham, England
Gallon Elizabeth 1900 — 1904 Schools & education
Again i am assuming that my grandmother was born in 1900

My dad, Chin Lee Dock also served in WW!! but i cant find anything on him, can anyone help, i know he received 4-5 medals during his time there. He was born in 1921 18th Jan
Thanks#
Regards

1911 (Find My Past)
Ellen Barrow Head Married Female - 33 1878 Cty Durham South Shields
Lizzie Gallon Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Cty Durham South Shields
Esther Barrow Daughter - Female School 7 1904 Cty Durham South Shields
John Barrow Son - Male - 4 1907 Cty Durham South Shields
Mary Barrow Son - Female - 2 1909 Cty Durham South Shields
Address 43 Albion St South Shields
Parish South Shields
County Durham
Census reference RG14PN30262 RG78PN1745A RD556 SD1 ED3 SN175


Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Barron John S. Shields 10a 1337
Barrow John S. Shields 10a 1337
Gallon Ellen S. Shields 10a 1337


Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
BARROW Ellen 44 S. Shields 10a 893

(possible Death)


School Record has Ellen, as Name of Parent or Guardian. Birthdate 29/5/00. Residence as 8, Wellington Place.

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
Gallon Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 779

Chris :)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php?q=1&cookiecheck=1

(above usually helpful, Durham Records Online)


Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gallon Elizabeth R Wood S. Shields 10a 1386
Wood John Gallon S. Shields 10a 1386

(although looking at 1939, could be above)


Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
WOOD Elizabeth R 62 S.Shields 1a 720

Thanks Chris
I ordered the birth certificate for her and looking at the records you found, i dont believe it is the right person. I was looking for a Gallon marriage to a Wilson sometime between 1910 & 1920 but couldnt find anything. But i appreciate your detective work :-(

There is a record of a Elizabeth Gallon who married a wilson as follows:
Volume 2B
Page 1156
Line Number 95

Image Quarter 4
Country England
County Hampshire
District PORTSMOUTH

But it is a long shot