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Sidami

Sidami Report 18 Jan 2019 22:32

William Mcnair married to Maud nee Stephens they married 1921.

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Jan 2019 22:40

For a bit of an idea where we might be looking

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
McNair William A Stephens Marylebone 1a 1574

There is this birth McNAir/Stephens

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
McNair Arthur W T Stephens Greenwich 1d 1825

and this possible 1939 where Arthur's initial does look like W on the original

McNair Household (6 People)
259 Roman Road , Poplar, London, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Maud Snooks (Mcnair) 08 Aug 1900 Female Domestic Cooks Assist Married 13 2
Arthur M McNair 19 Apr 1922 Male Builders Clerk Single 13 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
John Snook 10 Apr 1860 Male Retired Builders Labou Married 13 4
Charles Snook 19 Jan 1908 Male Builders Labourer Single 13 5
Elizabeth Snook 11 May 1913 Female Domestic Cleaner Single 13 6

the original also shows the change of Maud's name from McNair to Snooks was made on the register 16.3.1949



Sidami

Sidami Report 18 Jan 2019 22:43

That’s the one Thankyou for you time..

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Jan 2019 22:44

Maud marriage reg, shows her as Stephens and McNair

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1949 (>99%)

Eggleton Jean M P Millar Ilford 5a 766
McNair Maud Snooks Ilford 5a 766
Millar Gerald D Eggleton Ilford 5a 766
Snooks Charles W McNair Ilford 5a 766
Snooks Charles W Stephens Ilford 5a 766 S
Stephens Maud Snooks Ilford 5a 766

Sidami

Sidami Report 18 Jan 2019 22:47

Was she married before with having the 2 surnames?

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 18 Jan 2019 23:07

Unlikely. Did she & Wiiliam McNair divorce or did he die?

The 2nd MC might show her name as Maud Stephens formerly McNair, or the other way around. The only way to be certain is to purchase a copy.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jan 2019 09:42

Maiden name Stephens. Re-married in first married name McNair
Would obviously have given her father's name as Stephens..hence the double entry

1939 suggests that she parted from McNair and took up with Snooks. Perhaps had to wait for McNair to die before re-marrying

Look for McNair’s death on freebmd

There was a daughter registered as McNair in 1924. On freebmd

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jan 2019 11:20

Wondering about this William.
I don't see any marriage to an Elvira, shown as wife in 1939 below.

Possibly William's birth, taking into account year and location, and also son Arthur's name:

MCNAIR, WILLIAM ARTHUR mms MCGILLIVARY
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 669


If so, could this be William in 1939? I don't see any marriage of a William McNair to an Elvira.

William A McNair
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: William A McNair
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1902
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 74 Bempton Drive
Residence Place: Ruislip-Northwood, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Aircraft Fitter
Schedule Number: 268
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BOBT
Registration district: 127/1
Inferred Spouse: Elvina McNair
Household Members:
Name
William A McNair
Elvina McNair - 09 July 1906 , married [Elvira on image ]
Frances C McNair - 05 Nov 1872



William Arthur McNair
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Arthur McNair
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 125 Lisson Grove, Marylebone N W
Registration district: St Marylebone
Registration District Number: 7
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 565
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry McNair 45
Frances Charlotte McNair 39
Percy James McNair 14
Helena McNair 10
William Arthur McNair 9


Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
McNair Frances C 68 Uxbridge 3a 259

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jan 2019 11:26

With William A. (Also in earlier years. This is the latest I can see. EDIT: Still at same address in 1957.)


Elvira McNair
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Elvira McNair
Year: 1956
County or Borough: Ruislip and Northwood
Ward or Division/Constituency: Ruislip Northwood South East
Street address: 74 George Peter [mistranscribed. Actually 74 Bempton Drive ]
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0955


I don't see deaths for either of them.


If that's the right William, Maud wasn't waiting for him to die before remarrying.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jan 2019 12:05

William A at the same address in 1963, with next wife Heather .
They had married in Ealing in 1957. She's listed as Heather J McNair or Ball at marriage.

William A McNair
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: William A McNair
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Ruislip and Northwood
Ward or Division/Constituency: Ruislip Northwood South East
Street address: 74 Bempton Drive


EDIT:
Both still there in 1965.

Still don't see marriage or death for Elvira.

This death matches the DOB given in 1939 - but don't know if she's the same person:

Elvira Raven
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elvira Raven
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 9 Jul 1906
Registration Date: Mar 1980
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 0122



Marriages Sep 1957 (>99%)
SARTORI Elvira RAVEN Harrow 5f 1243

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Sartori Elvira Chorlton 8c 953


I don't see Elvira Sartori in 1939.
Perhaps she was living with William as his wife, and then they separated and both married other people in 1957 .

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jan 2019 15:22

Looks good. You’ve been busy!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jan 2019 17:27

I must get a life!

Still can't see deaths of William or Heather.


Ancestry (for whatever that's worth) suggests that Heather J McNair or Ball was previously Rae.

If (big if) there's any truth in that - a previous marriage ??

Marriages Sep 1952 (>99%)
RAE Heather J BALL Eton 6a 890


I've followed up this possible birth:

Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
Rae Heather J Lutman Farnham 2a 276

Parents William R W and Alice M (with one closed record) lived in Eton in 1939.

She died in Australia, with surname Anderson

Heather Anderson
in the Victoria, Australia, Death Index, 1836-1988
Name: Heather Anderson
Death Registration Year: 1986
Death Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: William Robert Wellington Rae
Mother Maiden Name: Lutman
Reference Number: 21202]

So unless she and/or William emigrated and she remarried, she's not Heather J Ball / McNair

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jan 2019 19:14

Let's hope Sidami returns..................

Florence

Florence Report 25 Apr 2025 10:51

Aware this was 6 years ago, but it's worth a try...

William Arthur McNair (Married to Maud Stephens) was my great-great grandad and there's a family rumour that he went missing! According to my granny, Maud and him did not get along and he either ran away or there's a slightly more sinister rumour that Maud had a hand in it somehow...

He was a chauffeur to Lord Alfred Mond, and there's actually an article which says that William Arthur McNair was arrested and sent to prison for 6 months in 1924 for leaving his wife and children (it was published because he was meant to be driving Lord Mond somewhere).

Anyway, I can't find out what happened to him after prison - so on the off chance that anyone on this thread sees this, please reach out if you have found out anything else!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 11:29

Click on Sidami's name and send her a message.

She is still an active member of GR.............

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 11:51

This man died in New Zealand.........no idea if there's any connection

First name(s) William Arthur
Last name McNair
Probate registry London
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Death date 11 Aug 1969
Probate year 1970
Probate date 02 Mar 1970

Name William Arthur McNair
Age 67
Birth Date abt 1902
Death Date 1969
Death Place New Zealand
Registration Number 35989

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 11:55

This is the address on the Probate record

Name William Arthur H J McNair
Electoral Year 1969
Residence Street Address Warspite Avenue
Residence Place New Zealand
District Porirua
Region or Province Wellington

No-one else named McNair at the address on the above ER

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 12:03

1939 with closed record now open
I have submitted a correction for Arthur's second initial

1939 Register
259 Roman Road, Victoria Park, Hackney, Poplar, London, England
Arthur M McNair 19 Apr 1922 Male Builder's Clerk Single 13 1
Maud Snooks (Mcnair) 08 Aug 1900 Female Domestic Cooks Assist Married 13 2
Doris M McNair 13 Jan 1924 Female Office Clerk Single 13 3
John Snook 10 Apr 1860 Male Retired Builders Labou Married 13 4
Charles Snook 19 Jan 1908 Male Builder's Labourer Single 13 5
Elizabeth Snook 11 May 1913 Female Domestic Cleaner Single 13 6

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 12:05

Deaths Mar 1980 (>99%)
SNOOKS MAUD 21SE1900 HORNCASTLE 7 1689

Deaths Mar 1979 (>99%)
SNOOKS CHARLES WILLIAM 19JA1908 HORNCASTLE 7 1874

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2025 12:17

For INFO....................
1921 Census Of England & Wales
4 Quebec Mews, St Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

William H McNair Head Male 1860 60 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Vanman T Kenwood Builder
Francis Charlotte McNair Wife Female 1872 48 Middlesex, England Home Duties -
William Arthur McNair Son Male 1902 19 Clapham, London, England Chauffeur Col Beddington Director Of Abdullah