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William PATON - baptism & pre 1901 census

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Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 10:26

Trying to find the following information:

- Baptism record
- Address or any other information prior to 1901 (UK census)

for William PATON

Birth: 8 Feb 1862 (via 1939 UK census)
Place of birth: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland (via 1911 UK census)
Occupation: Journalist, author and/or cashier in newspaper office
Marriage: 9 Jul 1921 Register Office Barnet, Middlesex to Florence Gertrude DANIELL
Father: James PATON - deceased innkeeper (as per marriage certificate)
Mother: no idea as yet
Death: 20 Apr 1943 at 58 Durham Road, Finchley, England

1901 census:
44 Burton Crescent, St Pancras, London, England
Living with his wife Florence, stated to be married although they were not officially married until 1921.

1911 census:
103 Kings Cross Road, St Pancras, London, England
Living with wife Gertrude (sometimes goes by Florence, sometimes Gertrude) - stated to be married 12 years, however not married until 1921.

1939 census:
58 Durham Road, Finchley, England
Widowed and retired - living with people with surnames PASCOE and ACKERMAN - no idea if he was related to a any of these people

Any help would be much appreciated.

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 10:57

William Paton
Scotland Census, 1891
Name:
William Paton
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
Event Place:
Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Scotland
Enumeration District Number:
7
Address:
DENNYHOLM STREET
Gender:
Male
Age:
29
Age:
29
Occupation:
FLAX DRESSER
Birthplace:
Ayrshire
Relationship to Head of Household:
HEAD
Schedule Type:
88
Registration District:
Kilbirnie
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
7

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 11:10

Dear Malyon,

Thanks for your suggestion. I don't see any similarities to the William PATON I am looking for other than the birth county and age. What makes you believe this might be the William I'm looking for?

Thanks,
Rebecca

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 11:23

wonder if william was married before so could not marry florence till 1921

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 11:31

only one i can find in scotland

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jul 2019 11:31

???????
1891

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Kingsborough Head Married Male 38 1853 Coach Builder Scotland
Julia Kingsborough Wife Married Female 39 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Kingsborough Sister Single Female 36 1855 Sempstress Scotland
Edward Moulton Boarder Single Male 22 1869 Clerk London, Middlesex, England
William Paton Boarder Single Male 28 1863 Clerk ScotlandGreat College Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 11:31

Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
DANIELL Florence Gertrude Holborn 1b 697

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jul 2019 11:42

?????
father james
1891
Name: James Paton
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Anne Paton
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 588
Registration district: Dalrymple
Civil Parish: Dalrymple
County: Ayrshire
Address: Main Street Dalrymple Inn
Occupation innkeeper --------
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_203
Household Members:
Name Age
James Paton 58
Anne Paton 58
Eliza Paton 21
James Paton 18
Anne Paton 15

1881
Name: James Paton
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Paton
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayr
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 166 Hospital Street
Occupation: Smith & Ironmonger - Employing 1 Man
ED: 44
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_247
Household Members:
Name Age
James Paton 48
Annie Paton 48
Jane Paton 21
William Paton 19
Thomas Paton 17
Eliza Paton 11
James Paton 9
Annie Paton 6
Annie Jane McNeil 11

william from 1881 cennsus
Name: William Paton
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship: Son
Father's name: James Paton
Mother's name: Annie Paton
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayr
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 166 Hospital Street
Occupation: Student Of Ec School(Teacher)
ED: 44

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 11:44

Hi Malyon,

I see your train of thought. He may indeed have been married previously, that might be the reason he didn't marry Florence Gertrude DANIELL until 1921. However I don't think that 1891 Scotland census find is him. The occupation is not a match.

Your birth registration from Florence Gertrude DANIELL is correct. She was born on 9 Aug 1874 at 27 Warren Street, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Rebecca

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 11:51

Dear Maddie,

That looks like it might just be a candidate for William's father in the 1891 census - innkeeper is definitely the correct occupation. I wonder whether we can trace when this James PATON died? It would have to be prior to 1921 to match the information on William's marriage certificate.

I will investigate your 3x Scottish census finds further.

I also think the 1891 St Pancras census for William could indeed be him.

Thanks!

Regards,
Rebecca

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 12:03

I've found possible father James PATON in 1901 census as a widower:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Main Street, Dalrymple, Ayrshire, Scotland

James Paton Head Widower Male 71 1830 Hotel Keeper Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
James A Paton Son Single Male 27 1874 Law Clerk Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie G Paton Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Hotel Manageress Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jeannie Whyte Servant Single Female 19 1882 Gen Servt (Domestic) -

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 12:09

Does anyone know what the E C stands for in the 1881 Scottish census for William PATON aged 19. He was listed as a 'student of E C school (teacher).

Thanks in advance,
Rebecca

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 12:18

James Paton
Find A Grave Index
birth 1803
Name:
James Paton
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
Kilmarnock, , East Ayrshire, Scotland
Photograph Included:
Y
Death Date:
29 Nov 1871
Affiliate Record Identifier:
174021527
Cemetery:
Saint Andrews Churchyard

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 14 Jul 2019 12:21

Hi Maylon,

Thanks. I'm trying to find the death of James PATON who was born c.1833. The one's you have traced may be family.

Regards,
Rebecca

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 12:31

Annie Paton
Find A Grave Index
Name:
Annie Paton
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
1913
Event Place:
Glasgow, , Glasgow City, Scotland
Photograph Included:
Y
Death Date:
12 Nov 1913
Affiliate Record Identifier:
97489987
Cemetery:
Westburn Cemetery

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jul 2019 12:33

Two possibilities for William's birth:

PATON
WILLIAM
M
1862
597/ 185
Kilmarnock (Ayr)

PATON
WILLIAM
M
1862
597/ 684
Kilmarnock (Ayr)

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jul 2019 12:34

you may need scotland people a site where you can register, do a free search and buy credits to view

could be annie
PATON

ANNIE

79

1914

597/ 263

Kilmarnock (Ayr)

age is out

PATON

JAMES

70

1909

597/ 443


Surname Forename Gender Year Ref RD Name Image View
PATON

WILLIAM

M

1862

597/ 185

Kilmarnock (Ayr)

Buy credits
PATON

WILLIAM

M

1862

597/ 684

Kilmarnock (Ayr)

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jul 2019 12:34

Name:
James Paton
Event Type:
Burial
Event Place:
Glasgow, Glasgow City, Scotland, United Kingdom
Cemetery:
Glasgow Western Necropolis
Latitude:
55.899912
Longitude:
-4.281664
Death Date:
07 Dec 1917
Affiliate Create Date:
09 Dec 2017
Affiliate Image Identifier:
25376103

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Jul 2019 12:41

Wills and testaments

James Paton

Date: 13/2/1902

Kirkton Inn, Dalrymple, d. 23/11/1901 at Dalrymple, intestate.


Ayr Sheriff Court

SC6/44/65

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jul 2019 12:42

As James was living in Dalrymple in 1891, this may be his death:

PATON
JAMES
69
mms MCKINLAY
1901
588/ 8
Dalrymple


Possibly his birth, though age doesn't quite match:

PATON
JAMES
WILLIAM PATON/ELIZABETH MACKINLAY FR1862 CHILD 9 (FR1862)
M
20/09/1830
597/
70 308
Kilmarnock