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Cynthia
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21 May 2025 16:14 |
Good afternoon
I am looking for the birth of Elizabeth Ann Blackwell, who married Joseph Farrimond in Wigan in 1919. No father is given on the marriage certificate.
I have them on the 1921 census and 1939 register, where she gives her date of birth as 24/5/1896. They are still in Wigan.
Working backwards, on the 1911 census, I am looking at Elizabeth Ann Blackwell, adopted daughter and George Blackwell, adopted son of William and Amelia Jane Dearden. Both Elizabeth and George are stated to have been born in Salford.
On the 1901, George Blackwell is with this same family, with the spelling of Durden, not Dearden. No sign of Elizabeth Ann.
I have been on GRO, Lancs BMD, Lancs OPC but simply cannot find Elizabeth Ann anywhere.
Looking for a link with the Dearden (Durden) name, I found a marriage between a John Henry Blackwell and an Elizabeth Ann Durden in 1883, but haven't gone far with that.
Knowing how good some of you are at spotting the obvious, I thought I would pass it over for perusal, please. Many thanks. Cx
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 17:45 |
For our reference:
Elizabeth Ann Durden in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name Elizabeth Ann Durden Gender Female Marriage Age 23 Event Type Marriage Birth Year abt 1860 Marriage Date 1 Jul 1883 Marriage Place Hulme, St Michael, Manchester, England Parish as it Appears S Michael Hulme Father Joseph Durden [ deceased, joiner ] Spouse John Henry Blackwell [ marble lmason ] Reference Number M320/7/2/2 Item Number 5 Archive Roll 818
Witnesses: Harry Thompson and Fanny Blackwell
John's address: 47 Lavender Street. Elizabeth's address: 34 Victoria Street
However, I don't see them in 1891 so far.
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 17:58 |
John Henry in 1881 - not that that's any help - but I can't see Elizabeth Ann so far:
John Blackwell in the 1881 England Census Name John Blackwell Age 22 Estimated Birth Year abt 1859 Relationship to Head Son Mother Ann Blackwell Gender Male Where born Hulme, Lancashire, England Civil parish Hulme County/Island Lancashire Country England Street Address 47 Lavender St Occupation Marble Mason Registration District Chorlton ED, institution, or vessel 31 Neighbors Piece 3929 Folio 94 Page number 23 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Ann Blackwell 63 Head John Blackwell 22 Son
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 18:28 |
George's birth - so could be the child of John Henry and Elizabeth Ann:
BLACKWELL, GEORGE mmn DURDEN GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 154
When George married Ethel Brice in 1915, at Platt Bridge, he also didn't name a father.
Ancestry suggests this is John Henry's death - in which case, George and Elizabeth junior couldn't have been his children, but George could still have been registered as Blackwell, as that was his mother's name.
BLACKWELL, JOHN HENRY 25 GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 574
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 18:33 |
William and Amelia's marriage;
William Durden in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name William Durden Gender Male Marriage Age 21 Event Type Marriage Birth Year abt 1855 Marriage Date 17 Apr 1876 Marriage Place Deane, St Mary, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears Deane Father Joseph Durden [labourer *******] Spouse Amelia Nuttall Reference Number GB127.L85/1/3/18
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 18:48 |
?? DURDEN, WILLIAM mmn TRAYNOR GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 216
Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%) Durden Joseph Manchester 8d 473 Trayner Elizabeth Manchester 8d 473
However, I don't see the birth of a sister Elizabeth Ann, who might have gone on to marry John Henry Blackwell.
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2025 19:28 |
??? HYDE, ELIZABETH ANN mmn BLACKWELL GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 132
Elizabeth Ann Hyde in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Elizabeth Ann Hyde Gender Female Baptism Date 12 May 1897 Baptism Place England, Lancashire, Salford Father Peter Hyde Mother Elizabeth Ann FHL Film Number 1786461 Reference ID p43
There is no record of a Hyde/Blackwell marriage. Could the mother be Elizabeth Ann Blackwell, nee Durden ???
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but maybe this is that child's death:
Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%) Hyde Elizabeth Ann 1 Salford 8d 39
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ErikaH
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21 May 2025 19:35 |
George is ‘Nephew’ in 1901………
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ErikaH
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21 May 2025 19:43 |
The child baptised in 1897 was born 23rd March1894, according to LanOPC.
Father’s occupation: Corporation Labourer. Address: 24, Manchester Street
Not at that address in 1901, but there are people named Hyde there in 1891
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Cynthia
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21 May 2025 19:56 |
Thank you. There seem to be endless possibilities at the moment. I am taking it all on board - so to speak. :-)
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