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I have a marriage cert where the father is not the guy I thought he was going to be, under the brides father is a John Bowman and her name is Reed as she was born 1825 I guess I can't send for her cert and I was expecting her father to be somebody Reed is it likely that she was brought up by this man as a step daughter or does the father have to be the actual father.

Do you have her in any census. When is this marriage cert from? Give me some info and I will try and help you Zoe

Hi The marriage cert was from 1845 and I haven't been able to find her on an early census I do know she died 40 in 1868.

The person on the cert is who she said her father was she may have been born a Bowman and brought up as a Reed if her fatehr died at some point Zoe

What is her name Lesley and I will see if I can find anything Zoe

Thanks Her name is Jane Reed she married Richard Butterfield on 27/10/1845 and her age is given as a miner she was a servant in Whenby Yorkshire at the time. Her father is given as a John Bowman and she had a son Thomas in 1847. Thanks

You say you haven't found her on an early census, but have you found her on any census at all? And if so, what does it say for her birthplace? Kate.

Could she have married twice? What was the surname for Thomas? And where was he born? Reg

Now do you have them in 1851 This is quite strange found this but wrong husbands name (grandson in law) but if you notice head is a Reed and Jane is his grandaughter maybe she was born out of wedlock to a lady called Reed and her father was a Bowman. 1851 Head is a Pauper Ag Lab Thomas Snr is a Ag Lab Jane Butterfield abt 1828 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Tollerton Yorkshire Joseph Butterfield abt 1849 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Great Grandson Tollerton Yorkshire Thomas Butterfield abt 1819 Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire, England Grandson-in-law Tollerton Yorkshire Thomas Butterfield abt 1847 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Great Grandson Tollerton Yorkshire John Reed abt 1844 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Great Grandson Tollerton Yorkshire Jane Reed abt 1767 Rawcliffe, Yorkshire, England Wife Tollerton Yorkshire John Reed abt 1772 Youlton, Yorkshire, England Head Tollerton Yorkshire Zoe

And you did say she died in 68 age 40 so that would make her b1828ish Zoe

If she was 40 when she died in 1868, she was born later than 1825 Reg

i don' t think she can have been married twice as she was a minor when she married Richard. No I haven't been able to find her on any census as i only had access to 1871 onward and she dies around 1868.

I see this has already been found while I was typing this up... well done... Okay, looking at the 1851 census, it doesn't seem that likely that she married twice, unless her family was a bit strange! The Butterfields are with the Reeds, and Thomas is the Reeds' grandson. Tollerton, Yorkshire: John Reed age 79 and wife Jane age 84, John Reed great-grandson age 7, Thomas Butterfield grandson-in-law age 32, Jane Butterfield granddaughter age 23, Thomas Butterfield great-grandson age 4 and Joseph Butterfield great-grandson age 2. Is that them? Jane's birthplace is given as Tollerton. So John and Jane Reed are her grandparents, and so either their son or their daughter was Jane's parent. But I suppose Jane's maiden name could be Bowman before a previous marriage to a Mr. Reed if she was one of those people who married their cousin or something? More likely her mother was Miss Reed, and her father was John Bowman, but Miss Reed and John Bowman weren't married. Kate.

1861...........but the husband's name is not Richard! Charles Butterfield abt 1860 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire View Record Jane Butterfield abt 1828 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Wife Tollerton Yorkshire View Record Joseph Butterfield abt 1849 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire View Record Richard Butterfield abt 1852 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire View Record Thomas Butterfield abt 1814 Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire, England Head Tollerton Yorkshire View Record William Butterfield abt 1857 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire Reg

1861 Charles Butterfield abt 1860 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire Jane Butterfield abt 1828 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Wife Tollerton Yorkshire Joseph Butterfield abt 1849 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire Richard Butterfield abt 1852 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire Thomas Butterfield abt 1814 Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire, England Head Tollerton Yorkshire William Butterfield abt 1857 Tollerton, Yorkshire, England Son Tollerton Yorkshire I have posted the 1851 above and stated that her husbands name was not Richard Zoe

Maybe his name was Richard but everybody called him Thomas? Kate.

I think this will be her christening from the IGI - I just looked on the map, and Alne is the next village to Tollerton! JANE REED Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 09 DEC 1827 Alne, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Mother: MARY REED Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Kate.

I think the 1828 could be her birth date, I have no definates as her marriage cert only says a minor. This family looks like it could be them but would her actual father have to have signed the marriage cert or could a step father have done ti.

The 'father's name' is not signed by the father, it is just the information that the bride or groom gives at the marriage. The father doesn't have to be there at all. Kate.

Thanks every one will peice the bits together but still haven't had the answer to the question, can anyone sign as a father ie. step parent or would it have to be a father thanks