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X Lairy- Fairy

X Lairy- Fairy Report 24 Jan 2007 23:01

i just saw this on the news Rosex

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:02

Lesley that is often downgraded to manslaughter. Yes every case absolutely must be taken on its own merits but I was referring to similar crimes where there is outrage over one defendant and glee or at least satisfaction that another gets their 'just desserts'. Makes one wonder whether we are all subjective or objective.

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 24 Jan 2007 23:03

I think we probably would, Lesley. Gwynne

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:03

No Lesley - was speaking in general terms

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~  **007 1/2**

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2** Report 24 Jan 2007 23:06

Errol, Are you able to think of an example offhand because I cannot immediately think of 2 similar cases where the public reaction has been so different? Thanks Lesley

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:08

The problem is, too many people pussyfoot around these days.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:11

I refer back to the original comments. Imagine how a person would feel who was currently in custody who read a paper and saw that someone charged with an identical offence may now escape a custodial sentence!

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 24 Jan 2007 23:11

We seem to have come full circle. It's impossible to speak about punishment in general terms when cases in the UK are judged individually. I think that they always should be, I'm not in favour of across the board punishment for any crime - mitigating circumstances must always be taken into account Apart from child abusers, and they should be locked up for life. Gwynne

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:13

Gwynne I am not talking about the judicial process, I am talking about the punishment meted out for identical crimes once a person is found guilty. The judicial process is an entirely different argument surely.

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~  **007 1/2**

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2** Report 24 Jan 2007 23:15

Has there been something in the news that that has prompted you to say this or are you just talking about Elaine and Puss?

X Lairy- Fairy

X Lairy- Fairy Report 24 Jan 2007 23:21

Lesley it was on the news today and in the papers and there was also another thread up about it this afternoon. Hello by the way Rosex

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:21

eh? lol Lesley I was talking about the news today and the fact that Tony Blair has defended moves to jail only the most dangerous and persistent of criminals. Again, if you committed a crime last year and were jailed and someone committed exactly the same crime under precisely the same circumstances next week, would you not be a little browned off that they were allowed 'another chance'.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 24 Jan 2007 23:23

Full life term for ** blatent** murder---what ever the circumstances ,,, Sliding scale for child abusers,,meaning till they are too old to carry out their evil acts,,,

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~  **007 1/2**

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2** Report 24 Jan 2007 23:26

Errol :-) I'm glad you clarified that as you made no specific references to the news article and I didn't automatically connect the two. That's why I asked for a specific example earlier lol :-) ~~~waves to Rose~~~~~

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:28

I agree in principle Kay but does that really work? When does a person become 'incapable'? That would be so difficult to enforce.

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~  **007 1/2**

~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2** Report 24 Jan 2007 23:28

My view on sentencing is that if someone is given life it should mean the term of their natural life. If it says 25 years then it should mean 25 years. No early releases....just additional time for bad behaviour. eg 10 years but up to 5 years extra for bad behaviour etc.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Jan 2007 23:37

Apologies if I was not clear Lesley. My basic point is about parity. And thank you for your excellent input!

♥~Muffy! ~♥

♥~Muffy! ~♥ Report 25 Jan 2007 00:10

I knew where you were coming from Errol I saw this on the news earlier. I do agree. If it is wrong one time it's wrong another. I would be very upset if i commited a crime last year only to watch someone else get off with a lighter sentence this year. There is most definately a need for parity in sentencing - you have made a very good point xx

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 26 Jan 2007 00:55

Derek Williams in Blaenau Ffestiniog - I rest my case!

Felicity

Felicity Report 26 Jan 2007 01:01

With all due respect, things do change. Otherwise we would still hang people for sheep-stealing. The law must have changed at some point and those who were hanged cannot be brought back for re-sentencing. Same issue, different era, different crime.