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thank you again for the information ..it is really good of you ..mgnv I do not know how you got the info but thanks again
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There's 2 sorts of info I posted. Firstly, that Israel 1827-ish is your Israel's grandad - the d.cert obviously is his.
To see this, track your rellies back thru the census - the key one is 1871:
1871
Israel S Pitchford Self M 43 Malinslee, Shropshire
Catherine Pitchford Wife F 41 Madley, Shropshire
Adam Pitchford Son M 18 West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Israel Pitchford Son M 17 Sedgley, Staffordshire
Ebenezer Pitchford Son M 15 Sedgley, Staffordshire
Jabez Pitchford Son M 11 Wittenhall, Staffordshire
Amelia Pitchford Daughter F 9 Warrington, Lancashire
Joseph Pitchford Son M 7 Warrington, Lancashire
Catherine Pitchford Daughter F 6 Warrington, Lancashire
Eleanor Pitchford Daughter F 3 Warrington, Lancashire
Lydia Pitchford Daughter F 0 Bolton, Lancashire
Hannah Wase Servant F 24 Madeley, Shropshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBF2-274
You can also track Israel Snr back to 1841 - I don't have any sub, so I'm looking for the h/h of
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRJ-ZVP
Ancestry mistranscibes his forename, so search for IS*L if you're using Ancestry - alternatively serach
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8978
for Piece 904; Book: 10; Folio: 40; Page: 23;
I think he's living with Stephen & Eleanor Pitchford, who are probably his parents. If that were the case, then of relevance is:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKCM-VYB
Incidentally, in my parents' generation, of 10 children, 3 were named with my grans' maiden surnames as mid-names, and another 2 were named with my g grans' maiden surnames as mid-names.
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One can buy BMD certs from either the local office that now holds the original registers (or a copy in the case that a church marr is recorded in the church's official marr rego).
Pre-1899, only C of E, jews & quakers (and the registrars) were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
Post-1898, most non-conformists could be authorized (but not RCs until the 1980s). One can also buy an m.cert from the church if they're still holding the register, but when the registers are full, and the quarterly copying and checking is completed, the full rego's are deposited in some archive, usually the county records office.
Non-conformists could still perform marrs, but the local registrar would need to attend with an official rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony.
At the end of each quarter, when copies of the local rego's were prepared to be sent to the GRO, the registrar for each subdistrict in the RD (Registration District) would have the births & deaths for the last quarter copied out on the special GRO forms (which often had twice as many entries per page as the local register books).
After the District Superintendent had checked them, they were bundled together, subdistrict after subdistrict, and sent to the GRO whotook the whole districts births and bound them along with other RDs, usually from the same county, into volumes, then indexed them.
Marrs were handled similarly - here they go church by church (often alphabetically by parish), followed by the copies of the registrar's own regos.
I haven't looked at ordering within the whole district much, but from my limited experience, the subdistrict ordering often is the same as the census piece #s - here's Warrington piece #s in 1901:
WARRINGTON RD RG12
Newton in Makerfield 3069-3071
Winwick 3072
Sankey 3073
Warrington 3074-3080
Latchford 3081
Rixton 3082
Some local indexes are online - see: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
Since one purpose of these indexes is to enable someone to know exactly which cert they wish to purchase, they sometimes contain difft info from the GRO index, e.g.:
Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Pitchford Lydia Bolton 8c 339
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PITCHFORD Lydia Eastern Bolton Bolton LUCKOCK EB/63/142
Because of the difft way their holdins are structured, the primary search keys for the GRO are RD and quarter, whilst for the local level, it's subdistrict/church and register #.
So the local ref must hold that info, e.g., EB/63/142.
Here, they decode the first element (the church/subdistrict code) of EB as Eastern Bolton - real tough guess, eh
[Clicking on "Bolton" in the FreeBMD hit, then the more info "here" link, lists all the subdistricts that ever were in Bolton RD]
The 2nd element of most local refs is the register # within the church/subdistrict series, and the last element is either a page # or an entry #.
[Marrs usually are entry #s, so one can say who wed whom, even pre-1912]
One might also find the local index indexes by year of birth, rather than year of registration.
One might also find an age at death pre-1866 in a local index.
Sometimes one needs to see the postal application form to find the local ref
Births
1854q1 Pitchford Israel Shepherd Dudley 6c 88
1856q1 PITCHFORD Ebenezer Dudley 6c 73
1860q1 PITCHFORD Jabez Wolverhampton 6b 488
1862q1 PITCHFORD Laura Amelia Warrington 8c 155
1864q1 PITCHFORD Joseph Warrington 8c 182
1865q1 PITCHFORD Catherine Hannah Warrington 8C 163
1867q3 Pitchford Eleanor Warrington 8c 158
1870q3 Pitchford Lydia Bolton 8c 339
1872q3 PITCHFORD Samuel Warrington 8c 161
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Israel S Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/042/65
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Ebenezer Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/048/146
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One wonders if this is your Israel's g aunt
Births Jun 1853 (>99%)
PITCHFORD Eleanor Shepherd Dudley 6c 104
Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%)
Pitchford Eleanor Shepherd Dudley 6c 30
Here're the local index entries:
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Eleanor S Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/049/286
West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Eleanor S Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/024/242
Eleanor wasn't born in Sedgley subdistrict, and we know both Israel and Ebeneezer were both born in Sedgley subdistrict.
However, Eleanor died in Sedgley subdistrict in between the 2 boys' births, so we can conclude Eleanor's parents must have moved between her birth & her death, and it does strengthen my view that Eleanor was your Israel's g aunt (without proving it).
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