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Looks like James Thomas living with Grandparents is the son of James and Fanny. At some time Katie the daughter of James and Catherine came to alive in Gravesend possibly with grandparents because she got married to Harry W Plaw in Gravesend. I am so grateful for your help it has answered a lot of questions

Link to marriage cert of James Thomas Claxton and Fanny Frances Butcher in 1874

http://tinyurl.com/z9ll2jd

Hopefully the link will work, it's the bottom image on the right hand side

This looks like Fanny Butcher living in Orsett with her paents in 1861


Fanny Butcher
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Fanny Butcher
County Essex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Orsett, Essex, England
Registration District Orsett
Residence Note Orsett Heath
Gender Female
Age 7
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Orsett, Essex
Page Number 17
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 1074 / 25
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Benjamin Butcher Head M 26 Maldon, Essex
Mary Butcher Wife F 27 Woodham, Essex
Fanny Butcher Daughter F 7 Orsett, Essex
Benjamin Butcher Son M 4 Orsett, Essex
Edward Butcher Son M 2 Orsett, Essex


and this looks like her working as a Servant in 1871


Fanny Butcher
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Fanny Butcher
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Gravesend, Milton, Kent, England
Enumeration District 2
Gender Female
Age 17
Marital Status Single
Occupation General Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Northfleet, Kent
Entry Number 6
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0890/0105
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Frederick W Smith Head M 31 Gravesend, Kent
Mary Ann Smith Wife F 28 Higham, Kent
Frederick Smith Son M 4 Gravesend, Kent
Mary A Smith Daughter F 2 Gravesend, Kent
Elizabeth Smith Daughter F 0 Gravesend, Kent
Fanny Butcher Servant F 17 Northfleet, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Great find on that marriage cert image Tiggit.

On the certificate note that Benjamin (witness) is down as Butchard, which is then corrected. (and maiden name on James Thomas (1875) was Butchard.)

James Thomas is a moulder which fits with his occupation on the 1871, and his father is an Engin (eer)? and on the 1871 he was an engine fitter. So all seems to fit.

This loooks like Benjamin Butcher and family in the 1881 census


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Name: Benjamin Butcher
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Butcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Maldon, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Tilbury
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Cottage
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Agri Lab
Registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1754
Folio: 41
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Butcher 45
Mary Butcher 44
Edward Butcher 21
William Butcher 12
John Butcher 11
Mary Ann Butcher 10
Joseph Butcher 8
Charles Butcher 5
Annie Butcher 3
Edward Clayton 4<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<WITH GRANDSON EDWARD CLAXTON RECORDED AS EDWARD CLAYTON

Just in case you haven't already got the marriage certificate for Katie Claxton and Harry William Plaw ( top image on the right hand side)

http://tinyurl.com/zsdej74

Many of the Gravesend/Northfleet/Milton and surrounding parishes have been transcribed on to
http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/

Look to see if 'events' are recorded on that, then use the info - date, parish, record number - to find the image on http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/
Click on the Parish Registers online to the left of the page.

Tiggit,

Your link works but it sends my page into extra-wide view.

Could you do a shrink-link in future?

My husband says I am talking rubbish, and it has nothing to do with the length of your link, so if no-one else complains just ignore me.

Patchem

You tell him you are NOT talking rubbish.

Page 1 here is fine for me, but I wondered what had happened on page 2,until I saw the long link.

http://tinyurl.com/

(above comes in useful for 'shortening')

Chris :)

(can remember some Members used to have long 'Board Names', that did it too!)

Hi,
Just trying out Chris Ho:)'s link. Please can someone let me know if the links below work.

Thanks, Tiggit


http://tinyurl.com/zsdej74

http://tinyurl.com/z9ll2jd

looks ok from here Tiggit...

Chris :)

(there was Baptisms James Parker Claxton, and James Thomas Claxton, Brancaster, Norfolk, on below, if they related)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Ok, thanks for the link Chris, I'll try to remember to use it in future.

(next step Tiggit, you now need to go back and remove both long posting ones, replace with new tiny links)

Page layout should then be 'normal' (if there is ever a 'normal' for ol' GR that is, lol)

Chris :)

Many thanks Tiggit for the marriage Certs it's a great help.

Having looked at the 1901 I found that Katie Claxton 18 Domestic servant was living with a Jane Evans age 68 Own means at 3 Christ Church Road, the same address as on her marriage to Harry William Plaw, so she was not with her parents .

Found another problem. The 2 sons of John Thomas Claxton and 1st wife Fanny Frances Butcher were both living with different grandparents in 1881. Eldest John Thomas Claxton with his Claxton grandparents living in Kent ,the youngest Edward Charles Claxton living with his Butcher grandparents in Essex. 1881 Their father John Thomas Claxton living in Lambeth with Catherine Claxton states wife but he didn't marry her until 1894. Found no death of his wife Fanny nor have I found her in the 1881 census so where could she be. Presume James Claxton was the same one who deserted the army in 1876 before his youngest son Edward Charles was born .

Hi Chris Ho:)

Next step now completed.

Thanks again
Tiggit

Need help again please regarding the Claxtons. I am unable to find a marriage for James Parker Claxton who married Betsy possibly Groom, I believe it could be as early as 1847, in Norfolk area

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription

First name(s) James
Last name Claxton
Age 22
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 31 May 1846
Marriage place York
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Claxton
Spouse's first name(s) Betsy
Spouse's last name Groom
Spouse's age 20
Spouse's birth year 1826
Spouse's birth date 1826
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Groom
County Yorkshire