General Chat

I have posted this new stat on the War page

An archivist from Kew was on the Breakfast show last week, it was a short article about using all the archives around the country more.

And I was shocked when she stated that only 20-25% of the WW1 records survive
which is even worse!

No wonder so many of us are disappointed. I cannot even find my grandfathers war medals, so I know that even those records are incomplete.

A very sad day :-(

RMS

As John was a fitter and turner by trade, that could account for his varied postings :-)

Is there any hope for me...... finding my grandfather? I know he was in the Cameronians (Hamilton Rifles) but don't know his service number.

Scozz, if you post his name and date of Birth I'll see if I can find him on FMP

I'm assuming that he was in the British Army?

Many Canadian units took the names of Scottish units

and I can have a look on ancestry ......... to see if they have anything :-)

Thankyou!

Robert Gibson ADAM dob 18 March 1895 Cambuslang, Lanarkshire

I think (not sure) that by 1914 he was living in Netherburn (near Dalserf) in Lanarkshire, with his parents.

Parents: John Adam & Mary (Millar)

I know he was wounded & spent some time in a hospital in England.

Scozz,

Not seeing him on FMP at the moment. Sylvia may have more luck.

Remember only about 25-30% of WW1 records survived.

At least two of my great Uncles served in WW1. For one (who survived) I have found the complete set of documents from when he joined until his discharge. Even the Field Punishment he was given for recklessly discharging his rifle in a trench.

For my other Gt uncle ( who didn't survive) there is only one incomplete scrap of a form.

I'm back from dinner ........ we went out :-)



Allan .......... I have never yet found a service record for a deceased serviceman. I have found record of their death / grave / memorial


Others say they have found both the record of death and a service record




I'll go and have a look to see if I can see anyhting

no, i can't see him either ................ not even a any medal card

Sylvia'

I've just checked my downloaded documents, and guess what?

I can't find the documents for either of my great uncles.

I have George Coe's (deceased) transcription of his death from FMP, a copy of his War Medal Card, plus the information from the CWGC, and a photo of his grave from another site.

I must be having delusions of adequacy :-S :-S

However, at the time, these two great uncles were a side issue to my grandfather (they were both my grandmother's brothers)

I must apologise to RMS for taking over the thread somewhat :-0

I was very lucky ............... I got my maternal grandfather's service records, and my uncle's (Dad's eldest brother), both survived.


Part of grandfather's record is missing though,although I can't work out how.


On 1 sheet of paper, it has his "basic training", then posted to the Machine Gun Corp 5th Battalion, then a gap of about 6 lines,


This is then followed by him embarking 10 months later on board a ship in Bombay, en route to Basra in Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), followed by full details for the rest of the war.



It's as if that 10 months between being posted to MGC and Bombay was never recorded!




I'd love to know how and when he got to Bombay!!!!





I'm sure RMS will forgive us :-D

Oh I don't know about that :-|

You guys just don't what me to delete it. ;-)

Thank you for being so understanding, RMS ;-) :-) :-)

Thankyou for looking, much appreciated.

If my grandfather was listed without his middle name, there would be too many listed (maybe) to find him. I had a quick look at Archives & found pages & pages of Robert Adam.... without any regiment listed :-(

My grandfather and grandmother were born on the same date, 19 March, grandfather in 1895 & grandmother in 1898..... and they were married on 19th March 1920.

If someone had given me that information I'd wonder if they made an error :-D

I have the documents :-D :-D

Try this for size, Scozz



name(s)
Robert

Last name
Adam

Service number
53011

Rank
Private

Corps
Scottish Rifles

Service record
Soldier Number: 53011, Rank: Private, Corps: Scottish Rifles

Archive reference
WO372/1

Archive reference description
Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards

Url
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D1617237

Country
Great Britain

Record set
World War One British Army medal index cards

Category
Military, armed forces & conflict

Record collection
First World War

Collections from
Great Britain

Or this


First name(s)
Robert

Last name
Adam

Service number
54502

Rank
Private

Corps
Scottish Rifles

Service record
Soldier Number: 54502, Rank: Private, Corps: Scottish Rifles

Archive reference
WO372/1

Archive reference description
Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards

Url
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D1617238

Country
Great Britain

Record set
World War One British Army medal index cards

Category
Military, armed forces & conflict

Record collection
First World War

Collections from
Great Britain

Scozz, both those soldiers were awarded the Silver War badge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_War_Badge

FMP has 94 Robert Adams listed. I'll try to trawl through them all, but it will take some time

ancestry versions



UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 54502
Previous Units: 9/Sco Rif. 54502 Pte.



British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 54502
Other Records:

from the card image:-

Awarded the Victory and British Medals


Allied Victory Medal (Victory Medal) was awarded for service in any operational theater between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was issued to individuals who received the 1914 and 1914-15 Stars and to most individuals who were issued the British War Medal. The medal was also awarded for service in Russia (1919-1920) and post-war mine clearance in the North Sea (1918-1919).


British War Medal was awarded to both servicemen and civilians that either served in a theater of war, or rendered service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was also awarded for service in Russia, and post-war mine clearance in the Baltic, the Black Sea, and the Caspian Sea between 1919 and 1920.


HOWEVER ............... this one is already married according to his Service Record .....



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1891
Age at Enlistment: 25
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1906
Marriage Place: Blanbyre
Residence Place: 17?? Ha??
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 54502
Number of Images: 9
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'Robert Adam' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Adam Self (Head)
Elizabeth Cr Adam Spouse
John Fadd Adam Adam Child


The documents are damaged, and the address is hard to read, but it does look as though it was in Hamilton

He was a miner

Married 23-3-1917, Blantyre ......... name is in damaged area

Child born 8-9-1917, Hamilton



I'll leave it that

the other one



UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 53011
Previous Units: 5/6 Sco Rif. 53011 Pte.
Other Records:




British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 53011
Other Records

from image:-

he was awarded the Victory and British Medals



no further records that I can see

Sylvia,

It seems that Ancestry records have more information than FMP.

The only reason I stayed with FMP was that I was offered an Worldwide Subscription at a fraction of the price it would have cost me for a UK only sub on Ancestry :-S