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Kim Annette

Kim Annette Report 14 Mar 2015 20:56

This is from War Forces Records


First Name:
Percy Havelock

Initials:
P H

Surname:
Turner

DOB:
Circa 1888

Age:
28

Birth Town:
London

Resided Town:
Abertysswg, Glamorgan

Nationality:
British

Date of Death:
27/12/1916

Fate:
Died of Wounds

Information:
Husband of Rose May Turner, of 3, Hill Rd., Abertysswg, Cardiff.

Rank:
Rifleman

Service Number:
3768

Duty Location:
France And Flanders

Campaign Medals:

Victory Medal

Regards Kim

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Mar 2015 10:10

I think part of that transcription from FWR is missing - Percy had the Victory & British War medals.

Having said that, Forces War Records is notoriously inaccurate on it's medal information.

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 Mar 2015 03:15

MC kindly forwarded me a copy of the images she sent to Silwyn.

Abt 67% of way thru, there's a doc franked Shrewsbury concerning Percy's personal effects.
This says Percy was in 1/1 Mon (the 1st regiment had 3 battallions: 1/1, 1/2, 1/3 with difft WW1 histories)
The 1/1 Mon joined the 46th (North Midland) Division as Divisional Pioneer Bn September 1915.

http://www.1914-1918.net/monmouth.htm
http://www.1914-1918.net/46div.htm

If I go to
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
and do an search for monmouth or monmouthshire within dept code wo95
there are 2 relevant hits: firstly

Reference: WO 95/2277/1
Description:
1 Battalion Monmouthshire Regiment. Missing
Date: 1915 Feb - Aug
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

but that one is missing - the regiment was badly chewed up in Spring 1915, and I'm not surprised that this record is "missing".

Secondly:
WO 95 - War Office: First World War and Army of Occupation War Diaries
PART I: FRANCE, BELGIUM AND GERMANY
46 DIVISION
WO 95/2679 - Divisional Troops (Described at item level)

Reference: WO 95/2679/1
Description:
1 Battalion Monmouthshire Regiment (Pioneers)
Date: 1915 Sept. - 1919 July
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

Order and viewing options
£3.30
409 files totalling approximately 95.5 MB

These were unit war diaries, and say what the unit was doing day by day.
If you've never seen any of these, here's a couple of example pages:
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e044/e001087970.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e044/e001087971.jpg
[These are from Sep 1916 for 13th bn CEF. (Canadian WDs are online and free)]

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Although Percy's records mostly say he had GSW (Gun Shot Wounds), abt 55% thru MC's stuff is his transfer records to the 43rd CCS.
On 27/12/16, he's wounded in action, then taken by the 1st N Midland Field Ambulance Coy (one of the 3 divisional anbulance coy's, who admit him with GSW to the Rt Hand & Leg, and transport him to the 43rd CCS, who admit him with a diagnosis of Multiple Shell Wds. He died later that day.
[Perhaps I was mislead by the modern usage of "gun" as a handgun - possibly back then gun maybe often referred to artillery, as in the sound of the guns.]

Although I've not seen the unit WDs, I don't think there was any major action going on that day. December's really not the time for that.