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Hi

I have been trying for ages to find the below mentioned person for ages in 1841 and have even done blanket searches using the original pages but to no avail. Trouble is, it was in London. Here is the info I have.

Emma Auber aged 28 (probably rounded to 25) born Middlesex
Edwin Auber aged 9 months (born Sep 1840) born Middlesex

In 1840, they are at Union Buildings, Hoxton. Have checked and they are not there by June 1841.

In 1843 they are at Seymour Place, Clerkenwell. Checked 1841 and again not there. I would really love to find where they were in 1841 though as this could be crucial.

Emma's son Edwin was illegitimate. Emma was born in May 1813 in Bethnal Green and registered her mums death in 1858. But she gave her maiden name as Oxley on 1840 birth cert for Edwin, and said Auber formerly Auber in 1843. Her 3rd child was born in 1850 and she used her mums maiden name, yet all 3 were illegitimate.

I just cannot find them on 1841 though.

Thanks

Ben

For reference--is this Emma and children in 1851? It states that she is widowed.

1851 England Census
about Edwin Auber
Name: Edwin Auber
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Luke
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Auber 10
Emma Auber 36
Gore E Auber 7
Matilda Auber 7 Mo

Found this birth record for the 2nd child Edwin Gore or Gore Edwin.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Edwin Gore Auber
Name: Edwin Gore Auber
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 112

Hi Joan

Thanks. I wonder if she lied in 1851 about her widowhood.

Edwins birth was mistranscribed as Anba in 1840 but the cert is him as the birth cert info fits.

In 1841 she must have been in around the Hoxton or Clerkenwell area, but where I wonder????

Ben

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Matilda Auber
Name: Matilda Auber
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 430

Ben,

I'm a little confused...is Auber her maiden name or was she indeed married. Why two sons' names as Edwin?

Joan

I think Auber is her maiden name as she regieterd her mum's death in 1858. She was Elizabeth Auber and she had a daughter Emma in 1813.

I dont think Emma ever married. That is why it is crucial to find her in 1841.

Okay, who is George?? Is that Edwin Gore? It states in the 1861 census that she is widowed still.

1861 England Census
about Edwin Auber
Name: Edwin Auber
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Hornton

Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St Luke
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Auber 20
Emma Auber 46
George Auber 17
Matilda Auber 10

Do you kjnow if Emma went by another name such as a middle name?

So, where did the name Oxley come in?

Joan

This may be the first son Edwin and his family now in 1871.

1871 England Census
about Edwin Aubera
Name: Edwin Aubera
[Edwin Auber]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Aubera 6
Caroline Aubera 27
Edwin Aubera 30
George Aubera 11

Edwins sep 1840 birth cert says Emma's maiden name was Oxley. She was baptised Emma Auber only. I would have thought she would be easier to find in 1841 if she had a son.

Sorry correction. Having just checked the cert it says Emma Auber formely Obey not Oxley sorry. Brain is getting overloaded.

The birth was registered in October 1840, so 8 months before the 1841 census.

Emma did lie of the birth certs. She said that the father was Joseph Auber a carpenter.

Is this Emma's birth record?

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EMMA AUBER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 03 MAY 1813

Christening: 21 JAN 1816 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN AUBER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Ben, I can't find Emma or Edwin on the 1841 census. If it's there, it's under a misspelled last name and that's why it's not coming up. Perhaps you should obtain a copy of Edwin's marriage certificate to see what is stated on the record 20+ years later. It may or may not give you a clue.

Nothing came up for Obey either.

Joan

Here's the marriage record for Edwin and Caroline Williamson

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Edwin Auber
Name: Edwin Auber
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 243

Ben, is it possible that you do not have the correct Emma. If Edwin's birth states that his mother's maiden name was Obey, then it's possible that Emma married into the Auber family. Why would she give a different maiden name if she wasn't married.

Joan

Births Sep 1850 (>99%)
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Auber Matilda Shoreditch 2 430


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Matilda Auber
Name: Matilda Auber
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 704

Record
Matilda Auber 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex
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George Hawkett 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex
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Albert Thomas Smith 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex

Hi Joan

I cannot find such a marriage and Emma Auber definately registered the death of Elizabeth Auber in 1858. Elizabeth never had a son called Joseph but in the 1841 census I did find a David Obey, a carpenter in Clerkenwell yet Emma gave her maiden name as Obey and said that Joseph Auber was a carpenter. It was to cover up an illegitimate child I think. There are no deaths for Joseph Auber at all. Thanks for looking in 1841. Yes maybe they are under a misspelt surname.

I wonder if David Obey was the father.

Ben

Looks like Matilda may have married Albert Smith

1871 England Census
about Matilda Smith
Name: Matilda Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Albert
Gender: Female
Where born: Westcott Barton, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Steeple Barton
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodstock
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Woodstock
Sub registration district: Deddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Smith 23
Eva Smith 3
Matilda Smith 22