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Mum's aunt fled from Africa during the Boer War and stayed 2/3 years in the UK - firstly in/near London then to Scotland (perhaps Elgin or Lossiemouth). She was Mary Ann Spence (b 1864, South Shiels/Jarrow) with children Alice (b1887, Strand London), William (b1888, Scotland), John (b1890 Elgin), Mabel (b1892, SouthAfrica), Florence 1895 SA, Iris 1900 SA

Help appreciated - William the husband was I believe still in South Africa but was Florence Brooke (my nan) with them?

Could you give Florence's birth place and date of birth?
Thanks

Is Florence a Brooke or a Spence?

Ozi

Florence Wylie Spence was born in Lindley, Orange Free State, South Africa and I only have 1895.
John

In the Spence group is Florence Wylie Spence and nan who was possibly with them for part of their evacuation was either Florence Wylie Brooke or Emma Florence Wylie Brooke.

John

I cannot yet see them.
You have Iris born 1900 in South Africa, after the Boer War had started. Could the family have arrived in England after the 1901 census?

I know that they quit SA before Nov 1901 as nan was with them then. I have them on the Braemar Castle sailing back from Southampton Sept 1902. They were said to be in England & Scotland for 2 years and so I imagined that be on some census but ......

What were the initials of your nan's parents? There's an "infant" Brooke sailing in 1901with a Mr & Mrs C J Brooke on the SS Yarrawonga. It's going from Sydney to London, but they got on it in Cape Town.

Hi John,

for info only;

1891 England Census
about Alice Fanrsfeuar Name: Alice Fanrsfeuar
[Alice Spence]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Clement Danes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Danes
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 217
Folio: 108
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Calham Broche 45
Mary Broche 47
John Broche 22
Laombe Broche 21
Albert Broche 13
Fridrich Richert 12
Robert W Breck 11
Waller W Breck 8
Florence E Breck 7
Mary Ann Fanrsfeuar 21
[Mary Ann Jane Spence] born New Castle

Alice Fanrsfeuar 3

William T H Tfierner 2
(William T H Spence] born Scotland

Frances Emma Cary 18
Charles Wyatt 28


No John with them so was he born later??

Parents marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1887 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>BROOKE Mary Ann J Strand 1b 692
GARDNER Mary Ann Strand 1b 692
SPENCE William Strand 1b 692
>>>>>>>WRIGHT George Strand 1b 692

Thanks folks - I'd got all that and my supposition is that "John Loombe Culham Brooke" b 10:20am 12 Nov 1890 at Brook Cottage, Moycroft, Elgin, Moray was with the family elsewhere (with the g'parents back in Elgin.

Interesting what a jumble of names there was in 1891 - correct but spelt strangely. I've seen the Head of Households handwriting so either the enumerator had poor writing or the transcription to computer was poor.

Still no sign of them on either England or Scotland's censuses in 1901?

Maybe I'm wrong and the Enumerator was reading a Gaelic equivalent "Mary Ann Fanrsfeuar". John & father William perhaps in Elgin together with the same variation in 1891 and all of them in 1901? Am I grabbing at straws?

Who on earth was "Fridrich Richert 12 " in the middle of nan's family in 1891?

John,

looking at the original1891 census I can just make out that it states;

Mary Ann Jane Spence visitor.

The Broche family look more likely to be Brooke.

And someone has put aa alternate name for Calham Broche; John Loombe Culham Brooke


Dee x

On the original it looks like Frederick Robert Coy(?) - visitor -and it's the same surname as Frances Emma on the next page.


EDIT from FreeBMD it's Frederick Robert Cory, birth reg'd Kings Lynn

John,

when was the father William born and where?

Dee x

Also from FreeBMD,
it should be Florence Emma B rather than Frances.

One of the Cory children reg'd in Kings Lynn is

Cory John Loombe King's L. 4b 331 (1875)

so looks like there's a family connection.

Here's a connection possibly:

Marriages Mar 1871

Brooke Emma Mary C King's L. 4b 543

Cory Walter Chapman King's L. 4b 543

1881
Name: Emma M. Cory
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter C. Cory
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Kings Lynn St Margaret
County/Island: Norfolk
Street Address: 7 Stanley St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: King'S Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn North

Walter C. Cory 34
Emma M. Cory 32
Florence E. Cory 8
Albert W. Cory 7
John L. Cory 6
Fredk. R. Cory 2
Mabel J. Cory
Mary A. Moses 16


Births Jun 1847

Cory Walter Chapman Norwich 13 237

1851
Name: Emma Brooke
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Brooke
Mother's name: Jane Brooke
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Kings Lynn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn North

John Brooke 37
Jane Brooke 35
Robert Brooke 11
Elizabeth Brooke 7
John Brooke 5
Lamb Brooke 3
Emma Brooke 2
Wattie Brooke 9 MO

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Does your Brooke line tie in with these Brookes?


John Loombe Cory b1875 is on someone's tree on Genes.