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I wondered if someone would be kind and throw some light on the above.
Mary Ann was born about 1853 and married William Fletcher born about 1848 in Preston Lancashire and married at The Holy Trinity Church Preston 1877 or 1878.
On Lancs.b.m.d there are two records for the marriage but both have the same reference of 249/1/39 and I don’t know which year is correct.
I know all about William Fletcher but nothing about Mary Ann. According to Lancs. b.m.d two Mary Ann’s were born in Preston 1845 and 1849 but I don’t know which is mine.
The parents of William are Thomas Fletcher and Nancy Archer.
Many thanks.
Pat

On LanOPC….FREE site. Make a note of it for future use

12th Feb 1878

William Fletcher, coachman 27, 46, Saul Street, father Thomas, coachman
Mary Ann Garnett, domestic servant,24, 28, John Street, father, Robert, licensed victualler

Check it out yourself for additional info

Many thanks.
Pat

Age 24 in 1878 doesn't fit either of those possible births you mention if the age is correct - it would make her born 1853/4.


Do you have her in census following the marriage? Where are she and William?

Fletcher/Garnett births post marriage - all Preston RD

Jane 1878, Ellen 1880, John 1882, Lillie, 1887, Robert 1891, Annie 1893, Henry 1895

So the family in 1891 - where Mary Ann is said to be aged 38, so born c 1853. Her birth place is shown as Kendal in Westmorland.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Oxford Street, Preston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Fletcher Head Married Male 40 1851 Coach man at paint store Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary A Fletcher Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Kendal, Westmorland, England
Jane Fletcher Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England
Ellen Fletcher Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England
John Fletcher Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England
Emma Fletcher Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England
Lillie Fletcher Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Preston, Lancashire, England

Possible births for Mary Ann or she may not have been registered.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GARNETT, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in KENDAL UNION Volume 10B Page 527
GARNETT, MARY ANN HAYES
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 505
GARNETT, MARY ANN HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 497

Again shown as born Kendal

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
39, Newton Street, Preston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Fletcher Head Married Male 30 1851 Coachman (d) Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England
Mary A Fletcher Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Kendal, Westmorland, England
Jane Fletcher Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Preston, Lancashire, England
Ellen Fletcher Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Preston, Lancashire, England
Richard Fletcher Brother Married Male 37 1844 Weaver (cotton) Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England

and 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Manchester Road, Preston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Flecher Head Married Male 50 1851 Coachman domestic Lancashire, England
Mary A Flecher Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Kendal, Westmorland, England
Jane Flecher Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Cotton weaver Preston, Lancashire, England
Ellen Flecher Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Cotton weaver Preston, Lancashire, England
John Flecher Son Single Male 18 1883 Upholsterer Preston, Lancashire, England
Emma Flecher Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Cotton weaver Preston, Lancashire, England
Lillie Flecher Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Preston, Lancashire, England
Robert Flecher Son Single Male 9 1892 - Preston, Lancashire, England
Jessie M C Kennie Boarder Single Female 4 1897 - Chorley, Lancashire, England

I would favour the illegitimate birth, as there is NO census record for a Robert Garnett, Licensed Victualler.

The Garnett/Harrison child’s father was George

The Hayes birth, probably belongs to this couple - Father William

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
GARNETT William Kendal 25 553
HAYS Dinah Kendal 25 553

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
White Bridge, Grasmere, Kendal, Westmorland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Garnett Head Married Male 41 1820 Blacksmith master employing 1 man Woodhouse, Westmorland, England
Dinah Garnett Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Grayrigg, Westmorland, England
John Garnett Son - Male 14 1847 Scholar Westmorland, England
Robert Garnett Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Sutton, Westmorland, England
Mary A Garnett Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Westmorland, England
William Garnett Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Westmorland, England
Christopher Garnett Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Kendal, Westmorland, England
Francis Garnett Son - Male 1 1860 - Grasmere, Westmorland, England
James Longham Journeyman Unmarried Male 23 1838 Blacksmith Westmorland, England


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GARNETT, FRANCIS HAYES
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 556

GARNETT, ROBERT HAYS
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in KENDAL UNION Volume 25 Page 516

Many thanks for all your help. I know nothing about the Garnett side of the family so will look into that.
According to the census for 1891 Lillie Fletcher was born in 1886 and the 1901 census says 1888. This is my grandmother and she was actually born in Preston 12/04/1887.
Once again your help is appreciated.
Pat.
P.s I’m surprised with the addition of Jessie M C McKennie aged 4 born in Chorley as a boarder on the 1901 census as the name doesn’t ring any bells and why would a 4 year old be a boarder.
Where are her parents? Another quandary for me to look into.
Pat.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MCKENNIE, JESSIE TREADWELL
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 540

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Beetham Thomas Preston 8e 947
McKennie William Preston 8e 947
Treadwell Jessie Louisa Preston 8e 947
Walsh Catherine Preston 8e 947

Jessie ……..MMN Treadwell.

Parents William and Jessie

If not your relation, no point in pursuing

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17, Thomass Road, Chorley, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William McKennie Head Married Male 33 1868 Publican Scotland
Jessie McKennie Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Preston, Lancashire, England
Willie McKennie Son Single Male 7 1894 - Darwen, Lancashire, England

Use freebmd / GRO to determine when birth registered and allow for wrong ages being given when census recorded.

eg. Year born come from a person saying I/ he /she is aged 6, so 1891 - 6 = 1885 but could just as easily have been born in 1884

FLETCHER, LILLIE GARNETT
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 644

So born anytime between mid February and late June.

No help with why Jessie McKenna was with the Fletchers in 1901 - but just for interest - - - -

Her father died in September 1902.

DEATH OF A NOTED FOOTBALLER
William ("Billy") M'kenna, a well known footballer, died after a brief illness at Chorley at the age of 35 years. Originally a member of a Glasgow team, he was transferred to the Preston North End in 1891, playing forward when the team was at its best. He subsequently joined the Darwen, and later the Chorley team, with which he played for several years. He was also a reservist in the Black Watch. He was much respected. He leaves a widow and two children.
Manchester Evening News; 19 Sept 1902.

Jessie was back with her mother by 1911.
Her mother had remarried in 1903:

Jessie McKennie
in the 1911 England Census
Name Jessie McKennie
Age in 1911 14
Estimated Birth Year abt 1897
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Chorley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish North Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 171 Rochdale Rd Harpurhey Manchester
Marital Status Single
Occupation Costumer Maker
Registration District Number 467
Sub-registration district Blackley
ED, institution, or vessel 02
Piece 24215
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jessie Lousia Shorrock 40 Head
William H McKennie 17 Son
Jessie McKennie 14 Daughter
Elsie V Baily 19 Visitor
Sarah Minshall 22 Servant


Jessie Louisa McKennie
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name Jessie Louisa McKennie [ widow ]
[Jessie Louisa Treadwell]
Gender Female
Age 31
Birth Year abt 1872
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 4 Feb 1903
Parish Bispham, All Hallows, Lancashire, England
Spouse James Shorrock
Spouse Age 52
Father Joseph Flock Treadwell
Spouse Father William Shorrock
Register Type Parish Register

James Shorrock died in 1906, and Jessie Louisa remarried yet again in 1911, to George Pope.
She died in 1919.


Young Jessie married Robert Marsh in 1914.
In 1921 they were at 4 Wade Street, Bradford, Prestwich, with a daughter Jessie Louisa.
Jessie (1897) died in 1924, aged only 27.

Thank you ArgyllGran. Lillie Fletcher married into the Woan family. Maybe Jessie’s mother was a friend of the family and they were just helping out in a time of need. Families were know to take in friends family.
I’ve looked at all the census you have sent and none of the names are known to me so I’m giving up on Jessie.
Thanks for all the help.
Pat.