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Aw....how upsetting Linds :-(

Oh Linds - I do wish they would sort something out for them, it is obvious that they really do need proper help and very soon.

Dea Xxx

Cynths - I thing I have found your Joseph Smith

1901 England Census about Joseph Smith
Name: Joseph Smith
[Jospeh Smith]
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: John Smith
Mother: Alice Smith
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Failsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Failsworth St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Failsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3772
Folio: 35
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 42
Alice Smith 52
Mary A Smith 20
Richard Smith 16
Joseph Smith 13

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3772; Folio: 35; Page: 19.

He married Charity Warren in 1912 and then Charity re-married in 1925

They only had the one child in 1915 - Mary Alice so it looks like he disappeared around the war years.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WARREN Charity SMITH Joseph Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/70/66


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1915
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Mary Alice Leigh Wigan & Leigh WARREN L/38/114


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH Charity Ann MARSHALL Joseph Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/86/111

There is a tree on Ancestry which links his death with this death:

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Joseph Smith
Name: Joseph Smith
Death Date: 11 Sep 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Atherton, Lancs
Rank: Private
Regiment: Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
Battalion: 1st 4th Battalion (Territorial Force)
Regimental Number: 42010 ................*** should be 42019 !!!
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly 400925, Manchester Regiment

There are several errors on the tree so it can't be totally relied on, however, the marriage to Charity and her subsequent marriage to Joseph Marshall do make sense. She did have one child to her second husband and his birth confirms that she was originally Charity Warren.

I can let you have more details tomorrow but won't be in till late as I have to be up and out at silly o'clock 'coz I have a date with a plastic surgeon ;-) :-0 :-(

Dea Xxx

What no breakfast!

Toasted teacakes it is then :-)

Where are you hiding!

I've had a weird day........spent all day typing a covering letter for a post at a University

Still not happy with it so I'm calling it a day and will look at it with fresh eyes tomorrow

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

been at the hospital all day ginns for an op on my finger - not long goi back but hopefully i will join you for breakfast in the morning.

can only type with one hand at the moment so it's a bit messy.

hope you get that letter sorted in the morning.

dea xxx

Poor Dea, how are you feeling?


<3

Dea <3 <3 <3

Gins
Hope you get the letter done tomorrow. We have been out all day and have the girls tomorrow.

Mornin~~~~~~~~~~

Bacon butty for Dea

thank you ginns - much appreciated <3 <3 <3

good morning all :-)

dea xxx

Good morning... :-D


I'm going to nick a bite of Dea's bacon butty........munch.....thank you dearest Dea. ;-)


You lot sound busy......Gins needs proper specs, she'll be using hair lacquer instead of deodorant at this rate....haahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa.......can't you just see it??

Dea, I am really grateful for that info on Joseph Smith - thank you - sending great big (((hugs))) but I will be careful of your poorly finger. My grandson used to say he had a 'poorly pinger'.

One interesting thing about this lot of soldiers, is the fact that, whilst the majority of the lads were miners, 3 of them were church organists/music teachers. Isn't that odd? Managed to find some pictures of them too.


Linds, so sorry about J.'s mum......you must feel so helpless :-(



I've been to see the nurse. My cholesterol is 6.7 (I think) but the good cholesterol outweighs the bad. My BP is excellent ( :-S) My pulse is good and steady and my sugars are okay too.

All in all, when she had done all the necessary calculations she had to do, it turns out that I still don't qualify for statins as yet. Not bad for an old 'un I suppose. ;-)



Right, am flying off again......be good...... :-D :-D

hi cynths,

i have just this very second sent you a pm to say that i have put ibnfo on here about joseph - do you think it might be him

glad to see your nurse is so pleased with you - keep up the good work.

dea xxx

Morning,

Dea hope your finger is feeling better <3

Gins hope you get that letter done today.

Cynthia glad you passed your MOT ;-)

We have the girls today and J has his annual diabetic eye test.

Sorted the letter, had some help from friend who is also a lecturer :-)

It's so long since I did one and academic letters are very different from others :-\

Hope you all had a nice day

Dea, how are you feeling <3

not too bad thank you ginns - i have managed to re-design the sling which they put on me so that it doesn't strangle me now and keeps my hand up as it should do.

taking all the pain killers - they will re-dress in 1 week and then back to the plastic sugeons 2 weeks later for the biopsy results and to plan what comes next.

glad you got the letter sorted - good luck with that,

dea xxx

Fingers crossed Dea (no pun intended)

Take it easy and rest

i should hope not ginns ;-)

dea xxx

We took the girls to the photographer today.

I am pleased with the photos F first professional photo.

They looked so cute - not that I am in any way biased ;-)

i am sure they are beautifull linds ;-) :-D

i have some of my grandchildren which are really wonderful too, the photographer has really managed to capture their personalities somehow.

now to breakfast............. full english, cheesie toasties, croissants and danish pastries to follw.

enjoy...........

dea xxx

Yum.........cheese toasty :-)

I have a few of the boys, they are stunning but very expensive.......worth it to capture their childhood though