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Dea

Just looked up the Ellis Island records


It actually does show both of them arriving

Thanks you

Renes,

I have WW but I cannot see any Marion County database that might contain a record for his presence there. I have already taken a look at the 1910 US census to see if he may still have been in the US then but nothing shows for him.

1901 England Census
about Victor W Palmer
Name: Victor W Palmer
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Palmer
Mother's name: Bessie J Palmer
Gender: Male
Where born: Upwey, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Upway
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Upwey
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Upway <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 1990
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Palmer 48
Bessie J Palmer 45
Beatrice M Palmer 25
Henry J H Palmer 23
Frederick R Palmer 18
Lilian M Palmer 16
Jesse J Palmer 15
Victor W Palmer 14

Just thought i'd pop in & say hello while i was floating about :-)

1910 United States Federal Census
about Veston Palmer
Name: Veston Palmer
[Victor Palmer]
Age in 1910: 23
Estimated Birth Year: 1887
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: Buffalo Ward 24, Erie, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1906
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robt A Norton 32
May E Fadgen 21
Alice Norton 33
Grace Hawkins 21
W C Gibson 32
Maude Beamer 15
Veston Palmer 23
Marie Palmer 19
Waneta Palmer 1 6/12<<<<<Born Indiana


1930 United States Federal Census
about Victor Palmer
Name: Victor Palmer
Home in 1930: Buffalo, Erie, New York
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Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Minnie Palmer
Race: White

Age at first marriage: 20yrs & 17yrs

Parents' birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age
Victor Palmer 42
Minnie Palmer 38
Bonita Palmer 21
Victor Palmer 16

Thank you Ginny and Jonesey

Where the best place search now for him in USA

EDIT THANKS GINNY WOWEE


thanks


Hello Julie

1920:

Name: Victor W Palmer
[Victor N Palmer]
[Victor W. Palmer]
Home in 1920: Buffalo Ward 17, Erie, New York
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Minnie Palmer
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Victor W Palmer 32
Minnie Palmer 29
Bonita Palmer 11 Birthplace: Indiana
Victor B Palmer 6

1920 United States Federal Census
about Victor W Palmer
Name: Victor W Palmer
[Victor N Palmer]
[Victor W. Palmer]
Home in 1920: Buffalo Ward 17, Erie, New York
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Minnie Palmer
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Victor W Palmer 32
Minnie Palmer 29 <<<England
Bonita Palmer 11 <<<Indiana
Victor B Palmer 6 <<<NY

Ohhhhh - I have just seen an inoming record for Minni and Bonita somewhere. - They came over to UK but they were not with Victor.

I will see if I can find it again.

Dea x

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Victor William Palmer
Name: Victor William Palmer
City: Buffalo
County: Erie
State: New York
Birthplace: England
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1887
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1712126
DraftBoard: 10

Hello Julie, nice of you to pop in.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Mrs Victor Palmer Name: Mrs Victor Palmer
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 26
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1912
Port of Arrival: Dover, England
Ship Name: Vaderland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Vaderland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Red Star Line
Official Number: 113434

Travelling with her was Bonita aged 2.

Dea x

P.S. - Nice to see you Julie.

Dea x

Hi Julie....this lot are on and off those boats like nobody's business!!!!!

Ginny

So if he was drafted does that mean he was an American Citizen


Also please -- is there anything on Minnie

Groom's Name Victor Palmer
Groom's Birth Date 27 Jan 1886
Bride's Name Minnie Evans
Bride's Birth Date 21 Jul 1888
Marriage Date 05 Jun 1907
Marriage Place Marion County, Indiana
Groom's Father's Name John Palmer
Groom's Mother's Name Bessie Trevett
Bride's Father's Name William Evans
Bride's Mother's Name Elizabeth Evans

Dea Jonesey Ginny


Many Thanks --- Dea just looked at that record

Says they were British Passengers --- but as Bonita was born in USA and I rather assumed Minnie was an American -- ( though not proven )

Have to see if what else is about

Many Many thanks Renes

Renes, Not necessarily. Her is what Ancestry states about the records:

About World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
In 1917 and 1918, approximately 24 million men living in the United States completed a World War I draft registration card. These registration cards represent approximately 98% of the men under the age of 46. The total U.S. population in 1917-1918 was about 100 million individuals. In other words, close to 25% of the total population is represented in these records.
The WWI draft registration cards database can be an extremely useful resource because it covers a significant portion of the U.S. male population in the early twentieth-century. If you had family in the United States during WWI, you are likely to find at least one relative’s information within this large collection. In addition, these cards contain more than just names and dates; they can contain significant genealogical information such as birthplace, citizenship status, and information on the individual’s nearest relative.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Minnie Evans
Name: Minnie Evans <<<<<<<<<Dressmaker
Arrival Date: 1 Jun 1907
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birth Location Other: blaskness
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York
Search Ship Database: Search the New York in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Going to Indiana, intended husband Victor Palmer

Thanks again Ginny Jonesey and Dea

Gold Stars to you all

So yound Victor ( described as a Water Works Engine cleaner ) aged 14 on 1901 ---son of John Palmer -- Market Gardener --- all other brothers Gardeners No Domestic ) goes off to the America May 1906 -- aged 19 as Gardener --arrives goes to Indiana --sends home for Minnie Evans who arrived 1 June 1907 -- they marry in Indiana 5th June 1907 -- baby Bonita born there Indiana -- but by 1910 USA Census are in New York

( It is 747 Miles from NY to Indiana ) EDIT IGNORE THIS --- THINK I AM MUDDLING UP NY -NY WITH NY COUNTY

Minnie and Bonita travel back to UK April 1912 -( No Victor ) ----- Victor completes draft reg card 1917 - 1918 ---
A son Victor born c 1914 --- so Minnie & Bonita ( assumed ) back before them

And they are all back in USA by 1920 Census ---- and still there in 1930

How Wonderfuñ ---------------and how rich were Gardeners in USA -----

Thanks All ----

Renes <3

Stop repeating yourself Renes ;-)

This looks like Minnie

1901 England Census
about Minnie Evans
Name: Minnie Evans
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Chard, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Chard
Ecclesiastical parish: Chard St Mary
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2293
Folio: 50
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hutchings 43
Maria Hutchings 41
Robert Hutchings 10
Dinah Galpin 75
Minnie Evans 12