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Oh well I suppose I shall just have to say that my William Anstee was bumped off, chopped up into little pieces never to be seen again so death was never registered......Must stop watching these criminal investigation programs lol

ja...x

ooooooooh no

I see that there is a Samuel Mossop born ca 1861, Cumberland, AND a Samuale Mossop b ca 1859, Liverpool with parents John and Margaret


and they are BOTH on the 1881!




s
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I will take that back about it being him for now then...But still every chance it is and John is with someone else as this family sure liked leaving their children all over the place...
I started with Mary Helena Mossop born Liverpool 1886 and never found her with parents Samuel and Elizabeth but as a visitor on census before marriage..The other kids were with them..
And more on the Kenyon line leaving the kids all over the place
Strange family...But the descendants still are a bit,my goddaughters fathers side all this lot are...

Maybe he was fed to the pigs Ja...x? like they think happened to a guy on a farm near here many years ago...They never found his body...
The guy who went to nick for his murder got out many years later and got run over some time later..!
Very strange...

Must go,my peepers are shouting for me to close them...
Will check to see what wonders you 2 have come up with in the morning..
I have every faith in you both...;)

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/01/27/a-grisly-history-of-welsh-murders-91466-20398702/

This one...Nice bedtime story for you..

Night Fans x

Will go and read it now

ja...x

Now that echos with me

......we had the Pig Farmer murderer over here a few years ago.

Robert Pickton

Convicted in 2007 of the second degree murder of 6 women, charged with the deaths of about 20 more ......... all prostitutes. All killed between about 1983 and 2002


it is suspected that he fed bits of at least of their bodies to his pigs ............ or took them down to the local rendering factory.

Ther must have been loads of people that went missing that way in the Victorian days. If they lived near the sea drowned no death cert there, I mean what if they fell in the Thames never to be seen again would there be a death cert?

I saw a program this week about someone who was murdering woman and chopping them up not a Canadian though.

ja...x

I think that's where the "been missing for 7 years, and then declared dead" comes in

In other words, family member could go to court and get someone declared dead if there had been no sign of him for at least 7 years.





gruesome ja...x



we all heard far more than we wanted to know when Pickton was being tried.

He was first tried (and convicted) of the killing of the 6 women for whom they had most evidence ....................... in one case that was one finger bone. In another, only DNA.

They did not have any "large" piece of anyone.



s
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Breakfast is ready


Tea, coffee, juices


Cold cereals:-
Corn Flakes, Raisin & Almond Oatmeal Crisp, Honey Nut Cheerios


Hot cereal:-
Porridge, Maple Nut Instant Oatmeal,

In the warmer:-

bacon, sausage patties, turkey sausages, hash browns, frittata, grilled tomatoes, fried bread


Buttermilk Dollar Pancakes, French toast, Maple syrup


Toast, Danish, croissants, crumpets, barm cakes

Jams, jellies, Seville orange marmalade, marmite, peanut butter, vegemite




Enjoy




s
xxx

Lunch will be served at 1:00 pm


Cocktails


selection of hors d'ouevres



Soup
Garden fresh soup
Minestrone soup


Salad
Green salad
Ambrosia salad


Main
Roast Pork
Roast potatoes, garlic mashed potatoes, casseroled sweet potatoes
Glazed carrots, roast parsnips, brussels sprouts, spinach stuffed mushrooms, peas, green beans, sauteed peppers, cauliflower with cheese sauce
Gravy
Apple Sauce, Mustard


Dessert
Triple chocolate cheesecake
Blueberry cobbler
Lemon Tarts
Mango sorbet
Peach Icecream

Custard, whipped cream


Cheese and cracker plate


Selection of wines from Western Australia



Tea, Coffee, Juices





Enjoy






s
xx

Oohhh Sylvia,

I have just been catching up on last night's posts and they are all about cutting people up and feeding them to pigs, and now you serve me SAUSAGES + BACON !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's enough to put you off your breakfast !!!!!!! - Yuuck...................

I will just have to try to think about pleasant things while I munch my way through.

No! - It's not working...............Perhaps I will stick to the frittata and grilled tomatoes, just for today !

Thanks Sylvia,

Dea x

EDIT:

Ohhh NOOoooo ! - Roast Pork for lunch !!!

I hope these thoughts have disappeared by lunchtime or I can see I will starve today.

Dea x

lol!!


I'd forgotten all about those posts



sorry dea





night night
xxx

Info for Fans: (might have to do it in 2 posts as it is a bit long?)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Samuel Mossop Name: Samuel Mossop
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Whitehaven
COUNTY: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 501 (click to see others on page

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I believe this could be the family on 1871 England Census:

about John Mossop Name: John Mossop
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mossop
Gender: Male
Where born: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: St Bees
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 5255
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
John Mossop 48
Mary Mossop 41
William Mossop 12
Daniel Mossop 10 ??????????
Watson Mossop 8
Isaac Mossop 5


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5255; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 847450.

There is no birth for a Daniel and I cannot see him anywhere else - name could have been
misheard?

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Same family on 1851 - looking for Samuel's brother John:

1861 England Census
about John Mossop Name: John Mossop
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mossop
Gender: Male
Where born: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Harrington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Lower?

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 3944
Folio: 49
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Mossop 42 Ag lab ?
Mary Mossop 31
Mary Mossop 10
Jane Mossop 8
Hannah Mossop 6
Clem Mossop 4
William Mossop 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3944; Folio: 49; Page: 7; GSU roll: 543211.
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The family does not have a John, but in 1851 they DO !!:


1851 England Census
about John Mossop Name: John Mossop
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mossop
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Whillimoor
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Greenfoot ?

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
John Mossop 29 Farmer of 100? acres
Mary Mossop 22
John Mossop 1 b. Lamplugh **
Mary Mossop 1 MO b. Arlecdon
David Wilson 18 Farm servant
Mary Carr 17 House servant

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2436; Folio: 124; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87117.

..............
Part 2 coming up on next post.............

Dea x

/cont.....

Looked to find John away from family on 1861 and this seems to fit:

1861 England Census
about John Mossop Name: John Mossop
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Langflugh, Cumberland, England
[Lamplugh, Cumberland, England]

Civil parish: Harrington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 3944
Folio: 47
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
John Williamson 64 Farmer of 150 acres. b. Scotland
Jane Williamson 58
Jane Lowes 24 daughter
Isaac Lowes 27 son-in-law
Bavabra William Lowes 20 (should be Barbara Williamson, daughter)
John Mossop 11

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3944; Folio: 47; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543211.

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Marriage for John + Samuel's parents then would probably be this one:

Marriages Jun 1849
Mossop John Whitehaven 25 153
Williamson Mary Whitehaven 25 153
......

Obviously it will all need checking,

What do you think Fans?

Dea x

Morning.

Well for some.

I am going to be kidnapped this morning by grand daughter to go swimming so good breakfast required.

Ahh thank you Sylvia.

Perfect.

If anyone watches the London marahon this mornig it goes past our shop.

Just after the 1 mile post for the fun runners.

Will be avoiding that area today.

Can you 'do' swimming now LK ?

That must mean you are lots better.

Dea x

Youve got to laugh.....just how long does it take for some people to come back to their thread!


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thomas%20/thread/1244127

I thank you very much Dea for your time on the bleep bleep Mossops...and I think you have it...

Throws Sylvs effort out the window>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And mine..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Will go investigate the looking very good stuff that you have found..

Bacon ,fried spud and egg on toast coming up at 12 for me....
I dont do early brekkie,well you have to get up early for that;)

I have difficulty getting in and out but I am trying to exercise in the pool.

Do you know what happens when someone swims with one hand stronger than the other?

They go in circles.

Look out for whirlpools.

Going to one I can walk in and out of this time as last week I got stuck on the steps.